Hey thanks for the swift reply, yes Civic, wasn't an expensive alignment , there was no before/after information, I got them to change some sensors and got the tracking done while it was there, on return it drives lovely and straight the offending light switched off but the steering is drastically lighter and is definitely not as hard and sturdy on the corners. I have tightened the dampeners all round, hasn't stiffened the steering, I'm not sure what toe in is but I will try and communicate with the gentleman that did it, I appreciate the help