Immobiliser

[Leev_35]

Hi All,

Does anyone know if there is a stock immobiliser in the V35's?

My Audi had an immobiliser in the ignition which was de-activated by the stock key (had a little transmitter in the key body).

If they dont have one as stock can anyone suggest a good one to install?

Cheers

Lee

[WazR32GTSt]

it was a dealer-fitted option in the V35

i have one and it doesn't sound when you arm the car but you can sure as hell hear it when you try to unlock the car with the key when the alarm is armed!

alternatively i have spoken to chris rogers about this in the past and there are a few threads on this already - but installing an aftermarket system is definately possible

also, its a mandatory requirement for an immobiliser to be fitted as part of compliance regardless of what the car has so you definately have at least the compliance alarm

cheers,

Warren

[Leev_35]

it was a dealer-fitted option in the V35

i have one and it doesn't sound when you arm the car but you can sure as hell hear it when you try to unlock the car with the key when the alarm is armed!

alternatively i have spoken to chris rogers about this in the past and there are a few threads on this already - but installing an aftermarket system is definately possible

also, its a mandatory requirement for an immobiliser to be fitted as part of compliance regardless of what the car has so you definately have at least the compliance alarm

cheers,

Warren

Hi Warren

I thought compliance required an immobilser but I kind of dont want to take any chances.

I think I will go and get an alarm installed, I am just a bit warey of people who don't know what they are doing.

P.S. I am trying the clear plastic polish today on my headlights. Just got my car back as it was at the dealer for 2 weeks getting the VTC replaced. Glad I didnt have to foot the $3300 bill!

Thanks for your help

Lee

[WazR32GTSt]

the advantage of buying a car already in australia, like i did, is that the cars on the yard are already complianced. that means that an immobiliser is already installed and working. the ones they screw up i have no cares about as i won't even know about them! the ones in front of you have been done successfully.

every V35 has an aussie-fitted one and if that is all you want then you've already got one and are wasting your money.

Edited May 27, 2008 by WazR32GTSt

[ShadowKnyght]

My V35 Premium has a little sticker on the drivers side window / triangle showing a key through an engine with "SECURITY" written under it.

I also got a spare 3rd key that has no remote opening buttons and is a redish colour - not sure what thios key is for?

I am assuming my car has an immobiliser but no Alarm?

I have the RED LED on the dash that flashes when the car is locked and unlocked - but I just sat in the car and locked it with the remote and jumped about - no alarm - then opened the door - no alarm then locked the car with the remote and opened the door with the key... no alarm...

Insurance requires an Australian standard Imob - does anyone know if the stock one is up to spec?

[turbosuk]

i think the red key will only open the drivers side door and start the car

its used so you can lock the glovebox when its at a workshop

[Chris Rogers]

so you have two remote keys and a red valet key.

the valet key will not open the glovebox but opens the drivers door and starts the car.

as for immobilsers :

the car comes with a NATS 2.8 or NATS 5 item from the factory. that one is not Oz compliant.

Oz compliant (to ADR 82/00 ) are mongoose M15 mongoose MX40MK II autowatch 573,674 , Autowatch 446RLI or 446P.

these are really shop dependent. the constant one across teh board is the 573. that is a transponder tag. no tag - no go.

the 446 versions I had put on the list so I can use them on various cars here in brisbane as they are compliant with the ADR82/00 rules.

the other thing on these for Oz stds compliance (for insurance) is the install side of it. there is a standard for this and it needs to be followed.

[Stephen Thorpe]

so you have two remote keys and a red valet key.

the valet key will not open the glovebox but opens the drivers door and starts the car.

as for immobilsers :

the car comes with a NATS 2.8 or NATS 5 item from the factory. that one is not Oz compliant.

Oz compliant (to ADR 82/00 ) are mongoose M15 mongoose MX40MK II autowatch 573,674 , Autowatch 446RLI or 446P.

these are really shop dependent. the constant one across teh board is the 573. that is a transponder tag. no tag - no go.

the 446 versions I had put on the list so I can use them on various cars here in brisbane as they are compliant with the ADR82/00 rules.

the other thing on these for Oz stds compliance (for insurance) is the install side of it. there is a standard for this and it needs to be followed.

Sorry to be a pain Chris, but what is the Standard that needs to be followed when installing the immobiliser, is it quoted in the ADR you stated?

[Chris Rogers]

no. it is part of the Oz Stds. ADR states how the unit should work and to what vehilces it should be fitted to ( every thing after 07/2001.)

[Stephen Thorpe]

no. it is part of the Oz Stds. ADR states how the unit should work and to what vehilces it should be fitted to ( every thing after 07/2001.)

So you follow an Australian Standard for the Alarm install? Is that a document from the Australian Standard Website and if so what number is it?

I always thought that Alarms were just installed as per the Alarm instructions...

[Chris Rogers]

far from it. in NSW you need a licence to do them. qld is going that way as well.

I do follow a standard when fitting alarms. its the sole reason I have the name I do - I do it properly.

google aus stds for alarms/immobilisers - should net what you wnat.

[Stephen Thorpe]

Thanks... will do.

[superspit]

hey guys,

just picked up my v35 lastnite...(very happy)..I have a question about the immob.

When I lock the car via the remote i monitor the action from the centre dash LED, it flashes, I guess this is ok.

But I have another LED (marked as 'security') on the drivers side that does nothing....no flashes.

I tried locking the car via the remote, as per normal, then opened the door manually (red key), the car opened and still started successfully!!

I would've thought that the 'immob' would've kicked in and prevented this(?) ((engine from starting)).

I know there is no alarm, that's cool, but I didn't expect the engine to start!.......Is there something I can check to see if the 'immob' circuit is working??...no flashes from the 'security led' makes me curious as to whether the system is working.

I guess my insurance people would like to know too!

Cheers!

[The Max]

far from it. in NSW you need a licence to do them. qld is going that way as well.

I do follow a standard when fitting alarms. its the sole reason I have the name I do - I do it properly.

google aus stds for alarms/immobilisers - should net what you wnat.

Great. Sorry to dredge up this old topic but in preparation for bringing in an 08/09 V36, I have my tried and true Clifford Avantguard 4 unit from my old car that I want to carry across to this vehicle particularly for its Blackjax (anti-carjacking) feature but also for its great performance with its various sensors. This is just too good an alarm for me and I'd like to continue using this beast rather than give it up for something I may not be happy with as its replacement.

I guess with all that I have read in this thread, this alarm will not meet ADR and Australian Standards requirements since the wiring harness is colour coded. That and the fact that I am an electrical engineer but not licensed for this sort of automotive work probably won't help me out here. Am I really stuck with having to pay for someone licensed to install an alarm that they supply in order to meet compliance requirements?

[Chris Rogers]

the thing you are going to have fun with is the CAN system in those. whlist the clifford item is good getting it into that car will be fun. I would suggest talking to the installer you used for that alarm. I would also consider the G5 as that IS compliant BUT I'm not entirely sure there is a CAN version of it.

[81gSKy]

Hey All!

Sorry to bring up this old topic, but in short from reading the previous posts...

Can people please confirm for me (and others) that if you buy a car that is already imported into Australia (by import dealership and/or private) and has compliance, then it has an Australian Standard alarm and immobiliser system or at least an immobiliser system installed and working in order to have compliance?

And that you would only need to go and install an Australian Standard immobiliser system yourself or find a place to do it for you, if you buy a car without compliance or import a car and is yet to be complied?

@Chris Rogers: How and where can you check to see if what type of immobiliser is install in the car?

@ShadowKnyght & superspit: I concur, same thing has happen to me as well? I'm really confused, but I haven't tried to drive it other than been able to start up the engine...

Many thanks in advance!

[R6n350GT]

Hey All!

Sorry to bring up this old topic, but in short from reading the previous posts...

Can people please confirm for me (and others) that if you buy a car that is already imported into Australia (by import dealership and/or private) and has compliance, then it has an Australian Standard alarm and immobiliser system or at least an immobiliser system installed and working in order to have compliance?

And that you would only need to go and install an Australian Standard immobiliser system yourself or find a place to do it for you, if you buy a car without compliance or import a car and is yet to be complied?

@Chris Rogers: How and where can you check to see if what type of immobiliser is install in the car?

@ShadowKnyght & superspit: I concur, same thing has happen to me as well? I'm really confused, but I haven't tried to drive it other than been able to start up the engine...

Many thanks in advance!

Dmitiry who USED to work for Nagoya sold me one with no imobilizer, basically knew the compliancer and told him not to put one in there, so dodgy, stay away from him if you can!

Cody at Nagoya is awesome to deal with thank god..

Get a Mongoose M60 or 80 as they work well with our car, they are Australia approved. They have a upgrade kit if you have stock remote for the unlock/lock/boot but as mine didnt i just got the m80/g which came with 2.

Mine didnt have immobilizer either as factory

As for what immobiliser, lock the car, manually unlock using the key, see if u can start the car, if so = no immobiliser. what type is it if it wont start, look at the unlock remote, or go looking for the unit !! (not advised)

[T4NK]

As for what immobiliser, lock the car, manually unlock using the key, see if u can start the car, if so = no immobiliser. what type is it if it wont start, look at the unlock remote, or go looking for the unit !! (not advised)

Does it matter what key is used in this process? im at work and dont have the red key with me and want to test this

well to my horror there is no immobiliser in my car at all FML, just opend it with the key it started, sat in the car locked it with the central then tried to start it and it started right away.

Edited August 26, 2011 by T4NK

[81gSKy]

Dmitiry who USED to work for Nagoya sold me one with no imobilizer, basically knew the compliancer and told him not to put one in there, so dodgy, stay away from him if you can!

Cody at Nagoya is awesome to deal with thank god..

Get a Mongoose M60 or 80 as they work well with our car, they are Australia approved. They have a upgrade kit if you have stock remote for the unlock/lock/boot but as mine didnt i just got the m80/g which came with 2.

Mine didnt have immobilizer either as factory

As for what immobiliser, lock the car, manually unlock using the key, see if u can start the car, if so = no immobiliser. what type is it if it wont start, look at the unlock remote, or go looking for the unit !! (not advised)

Thanks! What is the recommended way to go, the M80 or the M80 Upgrade? I was thinking the M80 Upgrade since I wouldn't have to carry around a remote, but now thinking it over. I don't THINK there are any good installers or installers that won't mess up the OE for the V35's, in Victoria (that I know of). Unless someone has installed the M80 Upgrade and is working perfectly from an installer in Victoria, I'm gonna go with the full non-integrated system M80 and run it and the OE separately (if think that is possible from what I have read).

If I was to go down the full non-integrated system path, should I stick with Mongoose or go with a Viper?

Edited October 3, 2011 by 81gSKy

[Chris Rogers]

and how many WORKING keys do you have?