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It looks like the good old Chinese are now ripping off the Australian Plazmaman Plenum design... Not cool!

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/NISSAN-SKYLINE-GT-S-GTS-R32-RB20DET-BOLT-POLISH-INTAKE-MANIFOLD-RB20-UPGRADE-/320884624722?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item4ab636cd52

There's no business ethics, or copy write laws when it comes to the Chinese.

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You don't need to tell me the Plazmaman Plenum seems over priced. But if small companies like Plazmaman get squeezed out of the market, who is going to be developing the next cool product we can bolt to our car.

The Chinese aren't doing anything to develop new products, they're just making existing products cheaper.

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A no-name manifold which is very similar in design to the JUN RB26 manifold.

It may seem hypocritical of me (to make the comments above) but JUN didn't make this manifold for RB25, so it wasn't a blatant carbon copy of an exisiting design, like they're doing with the GReddy manifolds, and now the Plazmaman.

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You don't need to tell me the Plazmaman Plenum seems over priced. But if small companies like Plazmaman get squeezed out of the market, who is going to be developing the next cool product we can bolt to our car.

The Chinese aren't doing anything to develop new products, they're just making existing products cheaper.

Is that not Plazmaman's fault for not adjusting to the market and shipping it off to China like everyone else has then? :)

End of the day you've gotta play in the market you are in. A lot of top performance places in Aus (and Japan) have been sourcing from O/S for quite a number of years and lower production costs and keep profits and still selling things at affordable prices.

There is the part about Aussie jobs etc, but that is the fault of the Government for poor policy & rising costs here in Aus & competitiveness of China, not the businesses themselves

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Every thing follows the law of demand, if there are demands then there will be more suppliers, People live for them selves, there is no ethnics when comes to paying, presume same quality, cheapest price will gain more sales regardless whom it was made by. Pretty sure it will be flooding the market in couple of month stocked by every online cowboys (suppliers whom's looking for short term profitability).

Plazmaman will just have to make a far more superior product worth paying the extras, mass produce them in quality to save cost or add in extra features plus services and enter none price related competition.

Some of you might be interested to know that Apple is the only copy right owner of "touch screen" phones. Interestingly, is which cell phone firm is not producing touch screen phones today. except black berry whom's probably going bankrupt soon.

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Some of you might be interested to know that Apple are the only copy right owner of "touch screen" phones. Interestingly, is which cell phone firm is not producing touch screen phones today. except black berry whom's going bankrupt soon.

The patent is so vague it holds no traction.

And the tech patent war going on ATM has little relevance to this anyway

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"vague" is a defensive word. To me it means no differ. because we live in a civilized society, no one has physical rights to stop any one else from using other people's idea, we can only ask for remedies. So question is, is "copy right law" actually protecting you, or only protect you interest when you have a million dollars to sue.

How is the court going to weigh up of protect you (as a little guy runs a workshop in this instance) or protecting on the billion dollars of tax revenue generated by those firms that "copy" his ideas.

This is off topic. But it is every developer's concern.

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Some of you might be interested to know that Apple are the only copy right owner of "touch screen" phones. Interestingly, is which cell phone firm is not producing touch screen phones today. except black berry whom's going bankrupt soon.

My Blackberry has a full touch screen, no keyboard at all. :P

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You don't need to tell me the Plazmaman Plenum seems over priced. But if small companies like Plazmaman get squeezed out of the market, who is going to be developing the next cool product we can bolt to our car.

The Chinese aren't doing anything to develop new products, they're just making existing products cheaper.

Plazmaman make extremely high quality parts for people who want to be competitive. They have been in business for a long time and will be in business for the same reason they still are now - they provide a high quality product that suits a small market - A SMALL MARKET.

I get 100 people a year turn up at my shop with Greddy copy plenums on. Greddy certainly held the market for a very long time with that market - enough to milk it for everything it was worth and when the copies start coming out, the companies that have survived in the past and will survive tomorrow will already have their next product ready to come out for the next new model

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Just ordered myself a genuine plazman plenum and throttle body to go with it , reason for not goin cheaper is cause I want to make sure I get good quality parts for my r32, the ones from china probs have shitty welds and holes in the welds , I think I will stick with the plazmaman , damn its gonna look sexy when it goes in ;)

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