Victorian Road Safety Poll

[R31Nismoid]

Guys.

Interesting poll has appeared on the justice website. I urge you all to go and fill it out, and get all of yours mates to do it as well.

Share it everywhere, Facebook, email - whatever.

Why?

There are some pretty absurd questions like "night curfew for P-platers". Which is somehow meant to "reduce" the road toll.

There are also interesting ones surrounding speed cameras and the like.

So get in there and represent with a logical view rather than the view of people grossly out of touch.

http://myviews.justice.vic.gov.au/

Not saying this survey will have any affect as such, but you never know if they take it seriously I can see some stupid minority groups making things a bigger mess than they already are.

Cheers!

[AGE]

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[NewB]

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[Longinus]

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Having all those points above each question kind of turns them into leading questions. They're obviously trying to get a bias in the results to meet their agenda

[R31Nismoid]

The a lot of those statistics are based around rubbish and bullshit as well once you look into them a bit further. Often they will use 1 incident and turn it into 3 separate stats so it's one offence, but 3 times to bloat them...

But of course that's how it's done by Gov't people

[ARTZ]

"Ways to reduce the road toll can include tougher penalties, public education campaigns, new technologies in cars, changes to law enforcement or changes in road design."

does "Public education campaigns" mean teaching people to drive better or just sticking up a few more billboards for us to ignore...

[ARTZ]

"More than 67 per cent of pedestrians take risks such as not using a pedestrian crossing"

Maybe its the pedestrians that need training....these people can't even walk properly yet we give them licenses

[ARTZ]

I dont think they are trying to get a bias, they are just presenting a few facts then asking for opinions..

They even asked if we think people driving to slow is a bad thing, which it is.

Cheers for the link anyway....the older i get the more I like giving my opinion, so I signed up for future surveys as well

[R31Nismoid]

The problem is it's geared to get a "strongly agree" answer in some ways.

Driving faster has been proven across numerous coutries to actually combat fatigue and raise awareness. But of course the do-gooers will respond against that as the blurb above is influencing them

[Basti]

"Travelling too fast is a factor in almost 30 per cent of road fatalities"

and the other 70%?

[ARTZ]

The problem is it's geared to get a "strongly agree" answer in some ways.

Driving faster has been proven across numerous coutries to actually combat fatigue and raise awareness. But of course the do-gooers will respond against that as the blurb above is influencing them

Driving faster can help a driver be more alert yes, I totally agree and may even utilize this tactic on occasion.. But it can also be more dangerous to the person driving slow so a happy medium has to be met..which is why we have speed limits...It would be nice to be able to trust all people consider their surroundings and drive accordingly but unfortunately too many people just cant think for themselves and others at the same time, many also don't fully understand the risks...these people need structure which is why we have road rules...

I also feel that the excessive policing and scare tactics we have is possibly in effect making many people worse drivers, because they are now way to nervous to actually drive on the road they are becoming a hinderance to those that can confidently drive well..

I'm out there all day everyday, every second person is speeding or on the phone at some stage and those that aren't are driving too slow, not giving way etc etc..that said though I dont really see many accidents caused by it..I do see alot of pissed off people, but you get that when common courtesy (just like common sense) is that common..

So I do wonder if there is as many do-gooders as we all think sometimes...maybe the trouble is just to many do-gooders doing surveys and spruking their shitty opinions.. Often with little real world experience.

Accidents will always happen and wrapping everybody in cotton wool isn't going to stop that...With the amount of cars out there on our roads everyday zooming around, Im surprised there isn't a whole lot more accidents...

[R31Nismoid]

"Travelling too fast is a factor in almost 30 per cent of road fatalities"

and the other 70%?

And this is one stat I was talking about.

Speed was a factor in 30% - of that 30% - what were the other factors?

Like drugs, alcohol, mechanical failure, poor road conditions and so on. Speed wasn't the single factor which is the bullshit part of these stats TAC and the coppers tout around like gold.

[Birds]

Obviously that's because everyone speeds, so it's easy to get revenue from it, thus painted as the greatest evil in all the TV campaigns. Can you imagine of the only source of revenue was fining drunk/high drivers or cars in bad mechanical condition? Local government would go broke because it's something not everyone does...

I'm a shitty driver if you consider speed a determinant in a bad driver...I've paid that many speeding fines over the years that I probably shouldn't have my licence. Yet every accident I've been involved in (a lot) has been caused by drivers not seeing me or me not seeing them...blind spots and fatigue...these are also the mistakes that kill...nothing to do with speed. Speed is your 3-4 times a year, teenagers in the "high powered" vehicle dragging at 140km/h in suburbia, not your 10km/h over garbage excuse for a fine.

[Let Me Drive]

done!!!!

[Hadouken]

This thread will turn into a heated debate.

None the less.

Mark skaife is on the ball for promoting higher speed limits

Car safety is increasing yet speed limits are decreasing.

Sense? This makes none

[ARTZ]

Nearly had an accident this morning..was I speeding, no, was I on my phone, no..why??

Because some asshole in a silver car thinks they don't need to put their headlights on when it's raining..was compulsory headlights in the survey...No..yet this happens nearly everyone it rains. It can be especially hard if my windows haven't fully demisted or are dirty. And no its not an old car with dodgey demisters its 2009 model. Its just that at a glance silver cars can be damn near impossible to see in these conditions

[ARTZ]

Also why is it you guys always seem to be pushing for higher speed limits yet fail to recognize any of the other inherent dangers/problems with our system..

this reason alone I'm sure is why they won't raise speed limits..too many blokes wanna go faster and that is all

[Hadouken]

Thus the reason you look at european countries.

Their car education system (driving school) is strict and requires you to be a good driver

They have good roads due to good foundations

We need to make people drive better!

[Sunkist]

"Artz loses it"

[ARTZ]

Lol, nah man in calm

though spending 40 hours plus a week in Melbourne Traffic my life is a semi permanent state of losing it.

One thing though I do think have dedicated Express lanes on our major freeways with maybe 20km higher speed limits could at least keep the dawdling dingbats out of the right hand lane..

It is definately not the answer to curbing the roadtoll though and I can just see discourteous people losing it as slower people try to merge in front of them..