Cycle Registration Floated

[Daleo]

I posted the solution pages ago (geddit?), separate bike lanes! Not pedestrian/bike share lanes, not crappy bike lanes hanging off the side of a road lane we have here, but separate bike lanes.

And of course, something missing around here, RESPECT for others on the road. Law is to give way to cyclist, infrastructure is in place to make it easier to spot cyclists and reduce the risk.

Really? I drove around Dam square and other areas in the city, heavily restricted of course and very difficult to drive around (thousands of cyclists everywhere). You literally crawl everywhere. Was kinda cool driving on sections of tram lines. If you dropped everyone in Sydney over there, there would be utter chaos and deaths everywhere. An alarming number of people on the roads here aren't 'geared' to drive alone on the road, let alone share it with hundreds of others.

Source: my first hand experiences.

tl;dr- push bike rego is dumb.

Ok; I was under the impression that some fairly large areas that had previously been used for parking, and a fair few public squares were made off limits to cars.

When the rules changed; motorists were locked out of these areas literally overnight.

They also had the same harbingers of disaster saying it would be the end of city life & transport as they knew it; but their society evolved with the rules.

In Australia, there are an alarming number of people who shouldn't be permitted outside their homes unsupervised; let alone driving cars.

[PN-Mad]

Would cyclists pay a fee (licence/rego/toll/whatever) to see such separated roadways built?

Cause I can tell you now, they are going to be rolled out by the government in any Great number. It's financially prohibitive. Fine, talk about European towns all you want, and how good they are, but reality is the environment is very different here as far as people per square km, thus reducing the ability to provide such services.

That's why roads are so hard to maintain here. The metres of road per person is massive.

So, would cyclists pay to see this infrastructure built?

[Daleo]

Would cyclists pay a fee (licence/rego/toll/whatever) to see such separated roadways built?

Cause I can tell you now, they are going to be rolled out by the government in any Great number. It's financially prohibitive. Fine, talk about European towns all you want, and how good they are, but reality is the environment is very different here as far as people per square km, thus reducing the ability to provide such services.

That's why roads are so hard to maintain here. The metres of road per person is massive.

So, would cyclists pay to see this infrastructure built?

Exactly Alex; it isn't going to happen.

Cyclists can't possibly pay for it; nor should they have to.

It is beholden on our Govt's to furnish transport infrastructure; be it publicly funded (through taxes) or privately funded (by developers when designing & building new suburbs).

This happens with schools, railway lines, parks , and yes; even roads.

The interesting thing is; cycling infrastructure is orders of magnitude cheaper per metre built, than the equivalent infrastructure for motor vehicles, so maybe it's something Govt should be looking at more seriously.

The current "It's too hard to start now" attitude around cycling infrastructure is self perpetuating as well. Of course it's hard; it's going to get even harder if we don't start engineering in far more of it. And then, over time it becomes easier; because it becomes a requirement when any development occurs. It could be mandated by Govt, just like efficient design in houses/buildings.

We do have to work with what we have; but we also need a massive change in attitudes from drivers.

The 1 metre trial happening in QLD currently is exactly the sort of thing we need to see rolled out across the country.

In addition to fines for drivers; there was a realignment of fine values with regard to cyclists.

This brought all cycling fines in line with the equivalent fine value for motorists.

The reality is; the supposedly vast numbers of cyclists breaking these laws doesn't appear to be backed up by statistics. If the supposed millions of cyclists running red lights was a reality; surely massive numbers would be being hit & either killed or seriously injured by the cars they are going in front of.

What we do see (and I've posted this before, but the bike haters don't seem to notice); is that in accidents where cyclists are seriously injured or killed; 80% of the time it is the licensed driver who has hit them who is at fault.

This has to change, and license plates & rego won't do it.

Bikes are allowed on our roads, and whether people agree or not; is irrelevant. We need to take more care when they are around.

[luke gtr]

Would cyclists pay a fee (licence/rego/toll/whatever) to see such separated roadways built?

im not a cyclist, but I would be happy to pay a tiny bit extra in tax for these cycle ways to be constructed in known high danger areas (to start with), and more places as the years go on.

[Stinky Rooster]

I work weekends in a restaurant up in the perth hills, and I pas an average of 100-150 cyclists on any given weekend (last weekend they closed the entire f**king road for 45 minutes while I watched about 400 of them go past) as they all seem to use these roads.

The staggering volume of them that have no road sense whatsoever, and completely fail to act like they even know the rules amazes even me, and I am by NO means an angel on the road.

But when I come around a blind corner doing the speed limit (90kph) and I am greeted by a group of 4 cyclist RIDING ABREAST I think that identifiable rego is not only warranted, but should be a duty of care issue for the main roads dept.

And if you are one of these lycra clad leg shaving club riding tosspots, being all lycra'ed up and sweaty with your boyfriends DOES NOT f**kING EXCLUDE YOU FROM THE ROAD RULES!!!!!

I should also add, that I am actually pretty keen on cracking out a tredley every now and again, but I stick to the bike paths. I happily admit, cars scare the crap out of me on my bike, been cleaned up a couple of times alread (see, I do know that there are idiot drivers out there) and I will happily do a detour of a few extra km to be able to stay off the roads.

[XKLABA]

From reading the views and attitudes of the bike riders on here I say this

If you ride along any road ( on the road) colour yellow in the UBD then you should be regoed and have a bike license, they have had the privledge of using the roads for free for long enough and should fall under all the same road laws of a motor bike, including obstruction of traffic, as well as the same lighting systems as my motorbike so they can be seen from a lot further away giving people like the opportunity to see them far enough away to be able to safely slow down and pass them

I keep hearing about drivers changed their attitudes for bike safety but how about bike riders be proactive in helping us see and recognise them far enough away to react and plan for a safe pass

When you have a car travelling and 80-100kmph coming up on a bike doing 25-30kmph they come up fairly quickly, but that is obviously to hard to understand for some, or realise the reality of the situation which is some roads are just down right unsafe for pushies and motorvehicles to share at NO FAULT of the drivers and bike riders being the most at risk and the minority should steer clear of them

No matter where the rego fees go, we all pay them for the privledge to use the roads so why should bike riders be allowed to use them for free

The difference between trucks and pushies is trucks HAVE to be where they are as the truck itself is the work where pushy riders have many options for alternatives from safer roads to public transport to a car or motor bike

It is also very obvious that the pushy riders are very one sided and have no reasoning or willingness to see it from both side and also care not for anyone but themselves

[scotty nm35]

I still don't get what you plan to do once you have written down the rego of the pushie, the police can't do shit off your testimony, even a video of the incident is inadmissible. What is it going to change for the huge expense we will all need to pay to implement?

I don't think any cyclist actually wants to use the side of the road. All would prefer a separate dedicated path, as long as it doesn't stop at every road forcing them to dismount.

[niZmO_Man]

Would cyclists pay a fee (licence/rego/toll/whatever) to see such separated roadways built?

Cause I can tell you now, they are going to be rolled out by the government in any Great number. It's financially prohibitive. Fine, talk about European towns all you want, and how good they are, but reality is the environment is very different here as far as people per square km, thus reducing the ability to provide such services.

That's why roads are so hard to maintain here. The metres of road per person is massive.

So, would cyclists pay to see this infrastructure built?

Only thing we're missing is future planning and reduced corruption. Sure it costs more for the current Government in term, but who cares about the future right? Just get the current shit approved so they can retire more comfortably. What about the resurfaced roads that turn to shit almost instantly? Too much throwing money around and not getting shit done properly here. I'm veering off topic now...

[533 RYC]

Yes, why read any of the reasoned responses, before regurgitating all the usual bike hating bullshit.

Bikes holding up traffic? That is the best one I've ever heard; because once you get past the pesky cyclists you continued to your destination completely unabated, without having to stop; even once.

Or did you have to stop behind another group of cars going 5 km/h and this allowed the cyclists to catch up.

You're not "held up in traffic"; you ARE traffic.

OMG Birds; I can't believe I marginalised you like that; what were you saying about tandems being gay?

LOL Dale, where do you find this Shiite? I think your buddies would have more fun on two of these!

[TREGTR]

After hours of considering this issue and paying careful attention to weighing up the merits of each submission, I have arrived at the perfect solution: rocket packs with licence plates lol

[luke gtr]

I still don't get what you plan to do once you have written down the rego of the pushie, the police can't do shit off your testimony, even a video of the incident is inadmissible.

ive heard of many others being booked from "inadmissible" video.

also, I believe its illegal to travel too slow in a car, as you become a road hazard.

would this not apply to a bicycle?

[TREGTR]

Scotty whilst police may choose not to do anything...I have found unclipping my pitbull from the back ute tray produces marvelous results. They are very good negotiators of the peace and brilliant at issuing on the spot fines

[GTR-N1]

http://www.news.com.au/national/death-spike-why-cyclists-are-dying-twice-as-fast-on-our-roads/story-fncynjr2-1226760958780

^ Do you think that attitudes of motorists in Sydney and Brisbane have become hardened and desensitised? ^

[TREGTR]

http://www.news.com.au/national/death-spike-why-cyclists-are-dying-twice-as-fast-on-our-roads/story-fncynjr2-1226760958780

^ Do you think that attitudes of motorists in Sydney and Brisbane have become hardened and desensitised? ^

not desensitised. Just baffled as to how solutions aren't being implemented.

[Ants]

http://www.news.com.au/national/death-spike-why-cyclists-are-dying-twice-as-fast-on-our-roads/story-fncynjr2-1226760958780

^ Do you think that attitudes of motorists in Sydney and Brisbane have become hardened and desensitised? ^

damn straight!

Now for all those spandex wearing Tour de France wannabes......

GTF off public roads

[TREGTR]

Just ban the stupid things on roads that have a speed limit greater the 60klms/hr. Cars and push bikes should not share the same space at speeds greater than that. The speed differential between the two and the levels of protection are simply too great and the consequences of an accident are severe.

seems common sense

[Ants]

seems common sense

agree

[TREGTR]

damn straight!

Now for all those spandex wearing Tour de France wannabes......

GTF off public roads

lol on a side note going to a cafe in the morning and being visually assaulted by spandex covered gentleman's sausage is quite ruinous of ones appetite lol

[scotty nm35]

Scotty whilst police may choose not to do anything...I have found unclipping my pitbull from the back ute tray produces marvelous results. They are very good negotiators of the peace and brilliant at issuing on the spot fines

Don't worry, I have come across many with similar skewed opinions on the road. I have had bottles thrown at me, cut off and forced to jump the gutter more times than I can remember. My mate was even knocked out by a length of 4x2. I don't hold it against all car drivers obviously, just the dropkicks that decided my life was worthless for simply riding my pushie on the road and being in their lane. It's a sad world we live in.

[XKLABA]

I'm not saying we should ban pushies from roads altogether, but if they can't realise some roads are just unsafe for them due to what ever reason then maybe the Gov should step in and ban them from certain roads

I mean if you walked into a pub and saw Mike Tyson getting rawdy after having few would you then walk up to him and tell him he's a soft cock pansy and a disgrace to the human race, or walk up to a group of outlaw bikes at a servo and tell them their Harley's are shit boxes, I know I wouldn't even though I have the legal right to do so, so why would you put yourself on a certain road that puts you at risk of getting hit by a car

And the drivers attitude needs to change is the biggest joke on here, especially when your attitude is " we have the right and don't care how it effects you ", change that to " you know what, their are to many useless drivers on the road and this road is poor designed for me to pass safely so I'll go another way cause I value my life to much" and when you do this what do you reckon will happen to the pushy death toll

Common sense goes a long way, it just seem these pushy riders aren't capable of it

Your rights AREN'T GOING TO HELP YOU WHEN YOUR DEAD