Seats and seat rails

[thenixtone]

Hi everyone, I'm looking at some new custom seats for my R34 GTT.

I spoke with Autotechnica and they said their seat rails will not fit, waiting on a response from Velo.

 

I don't really care on brand, I want something ADR approved though, I've heard a few whispers about needing ADR approved seat rails, is this a myth or is it true? (specifically for QLD, nothing on TMR website is vague)

 

Anyone have a combination of seats and rules that is legal / will fit without much f**kery? Cheers! e.g some weird ebay universal seat rail that would fit autotecnica seats

Edited November 11, 2019 by thenixtone

[GTSBoy]

It's actually really difficult to do this legally. Precious few aftermarket rails are legal without being engineered. Same with seats. The cheapy eBay Brides and other similar seats that claim to be "ADR" approved are frequently the shittest quality, so the whole ADR thing must be a massive lie with them.

Probably the only sure fire way would be to enquire of an engineer in your state about what's required. I'd say that going to a motor trimmer and getting Recaros + rails (for lots lotsa $$) would have to include whatever engineering signoff was needed. You could try asking them.

[Tobz]

Just to help out, not sure if you are even still looking into this @thenixtone

 

i bought the autotechnica ssp67 seats

i bought the autotechnica seat rails and

these seat subframes from crank Motorsport:

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com.au%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F173094681032
 

all bolted in with no issues at all, no drilling, just bolt it in

[Kinkstaah]

Again @Tobz I have a question, as I have a 34 and had to make my own seat "adapters" (i.e large steel plates with huge bolts)

Do the ones from Crank Motorsport raise the seat up much/any? I found that after making some plates up the seats did sit a fair bit higher than they otherwise would have. An off the shelf adapter like the one you listed would have made my life a lot easier!

In any case thanks for posting, people often have R34 problems with seats fitting and end up having to buy rails that do/don't/maybe fit, so getting the info out there is ???

 

[Tobz]

I found with the seats, rails and crank Motorsport bracket, my seats are actually lower than stock now

Edited February 24, 2020 by Tobz

[Tobz]

Also I think getting it low requires a bottom mounted seat, side mounts add to much height 

[xcess]

21 hours ago, Tobz said:

Just to help out, not sure if you are even still looking into this @thenixtone

 

i bought the autotechnica ssp67 seats

i bought the autotechnica seat rails and

these seat subframes from crank Motorsport:

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com.au%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F173094681032
 

all bolted in with no issues at all, no drilling, just bolt it in

 

Looks sweet!

I’m keen to put these in my s15.

How is the lateral support? Any good for track use do you think?

[Tobz]

6 minutes ago, xcess said:

How is the lateral support? Any good for track use do you think?

Better than stock, not like a real bucket seat though, heaps more support than stock, heaps less than a dedicated bucket. I think it will be good enough, especially with a harness

[xcess]

13 minutes ago, Tobz said:

Better than stock, not like a real bucket seat though, heaps more support than stock, heaps less than a dedicated bucket. I think it will be good enough, especially with a harness

Thanks.

Thats the main aim, looking for something relatively stockish looking, that I can use with a harness at track days. 
this seems a good solution. 

[PashaK]

On 23/02/2020 at 10:25 PM, Tobz said:

Just to help out, not sure if you are even still looking into this @thenixtone

 

i bought the autotechnica ssp67 seats

i bought the autotechnica seat rails and

these seat subframes from crank Motorsport:

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com.au%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F173094681032
 

all bolted in with no issues at all, no drilling, just bolt it in

For an R33 GTST, i assume all i would need is these right:

https://www.autotecnica.com.au/product/nissan-skyline-r32-r33-gtst-sports-seat-rail-sliders/

to go with these:

https://www.autotecnica.com.au/product/ssp67-black/

 

 

[GTSBoy]

Yes....but.....

Whilst the seats may claim "ADR Approved".....

The rails say "Off Road Use only".

That's because the seats don't really need ADR approval and the rails do. And that goes to show you what sort of bullshit people can spin you into thinking that you're buying road legal stuff, when you're not.

None of these seat rails are "ADR Approved". Not these. Not the Bride ones. Not the JJR ones. Nothing. As best I can tell, the only way to get aftermarket seats legally installed is to get an engineer's report on the mounting system. I'd assume that if you went to a proper motor trimmer who sells Recaros etc, that they would likely be able to generate such a report, because they actually do the install work and I'm sure that they have to be able to cover their arses legally. Probably not for free though. But face it, if you're buying thousands of dollars of Recaros for your Landcruiser, a couple hundred extra bucks isn't a big issue. But for cheapskate R33 owners buying seats that are only $200 each (!!), it's a roadblock. Right?

[PashaK]

thanks for pointing that out, i didnt even notice the bit about road use only.

[Tobz]

As @GTSBoy states these are not road legal. Another reason I wanted a fairly standard looking seat in the car so as not to arouse suspicion.... I figured if it says recaro or bride or velo it’s pretty obviously aftermarket. Whereas these without branding may have a slight chance of not being picked up.

 

also have kept the originals just in case I ever need to go over the pits

Edited March 3, 2020 by Tobz

[PashaK]

On 03/03/2020 at 9:19 PM, Tobz said:

As @GTSBoy states these are not road legal. Another reason I wanted a fairly standard looking seat in the car so as not to arouse suspicion.... I figured if it says recaro or bride or velo it’s pretty obviously aftermarket. Whereas these without branding may have a slight chance of not being picked up.

 

also have kept the originals just in case I ever need to go over the pits

Are you happy with them? Dont feel too cheap? Does the reclining and fold forward feel strong enough?

Any additional observations would be great.

 

Cheers

 

[Tobz]

Seats work really well, they don’t seem cheap, they are comfortable enough. I would say it lacks bolstering which can be annoying on longer trips and maybe some additional padding wouldn’t go astray. Overall I am happy, but they are a bit hard and lack bolstering

[PashaK]

16 minutes ago, Tobz said:

Seats work really well, they don’t seem cheap, they are comfortable enough. I would say it lacks bolstering which can be annoying on longer trips and maybe some additional padding wouldn’t go astray. Overall I am happy, but they are a bit hard and lack bolstering

ok great, thx for the update.

[thenixtone]

   

On 03/03/2020 at 12:20 PM, GTSBoy said:

Yes....but.....

Whilst the seats may claim "ADR Approved".....

The rails say "Off Road Use only".

That's because the seats don't really need ADR approval and the rails do. And that goes to show you what sort of bullshit people can spin you into thinking that you're buying road legal stuff, when you're not.

None of these seat rails are "ADR Approved". Not these. Not the Bride ones. Not the JJR ones. Nothing. As best I can tell, the only way to get aftermarket seats legally installed is to get an engineer's report on the mounting system. I'd assume that if you went to a proper motor trimmer who sells Recaros etc, that they would likely be able to generate such a report, because they actually do the install work and I'm sure that they have to be able to cover their arses legally. Probably not for free though. But face it, if you're buying thousands of dollars of Recaros for your Landcruiser, a couple hundred extra bucks isn't a big issue. But for cheapskate R33 owners buying seats that are only $200 each (!!), it's a roadblock. Right?

 

Do you have a source on this? I don't think that's right. I've scoured the gov websites to find info, and as far as I can tell a simple mod plate will cover a seat replacement (in QLD).

 

I'm still trying to learn more about this before I commit to anything, so I'd like to know exactly what I can/can't and (need) to do.

 

Cheers

Edited May 16, 2020 by thenixtone

[GTSBoy]

And what is the process in getting a mod plate? Assessment by an engineer?

[thenixtone]

Yes, mobile mod plate that can do seats.

[xcess]

On 23/02/2020 at 10:25 PM, Tobz said:

Just to help out, not sure if you are even still looking into this @thenixtone

 

i bought the autotechnica ssp67 seats

i bought the autotechnica seat rails and

these seat subframes from crank Motorsport:

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com.au%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F173094681032
 

all bolted in with no issues at all, no drilling, just bolt it in

Revisiting this one again...

 

the seat rails you bought from Autotechnica... we’re they just the Universal seat slider?

https://www.autotecnica.com.au/product/universal-seat-slider-to-suit-autotecnica-aftermarket-seats/
 

then bolt the universal slider to the crank adapter rail?