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redm0th

Probably a stupid question but...

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Stock rb25det is slow. No way would you take the turbo off. They definitely don't make a shit tonne of power as you seem to think.

Stock rb20det is horrendously slow, removing the turbo would be the work of an absolute idiot in this case.

 

Of course you can unbolt the turbo and put a set of na headers on there. But don't. You can get to know important aspects such as the "turning radius" you are concerned about just fine with the car standard.

 

 

Finally, What's the "oil pan problem" you are going to fix? 

 

 

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On 7/24/2020 at 7:19 AM, redm0th said:

This may be a dumb question but let's say that I buy a Skyline GT-R, probably an R32 in either the RB20DET or the RB25DET. I really want to get a feel for the car N/A before getting the power boost of a turbo. Can you take the turbo off of the engine and run it N/A? If so are there any modifications that need to be done beforehand? Thank you in advance for the answers.

Assuming you are not on a restricted licence no need to remove any turbos. Just go easy on the accelerator pedal. You will want the full power soon enough. A stock GTR is not going to frighten an experienced driver.

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In my experience, the answer to these types of concerns is always twin turbo LS1 2 or 3. 

 

You'll learn your new car very quickly in the above configuration.

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The basic premise of the thread is stupid.

As if there is an unmolested R32 out there!!!!

The reason that this was labelled a school holiday post, is that this is exactly what about 20000 retarded 16 year old bum fluffers have asked on here in the first week of school holidays every school holidays for the past 25 years.

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On 7/25/2020 at 2:56 PM, GTSBoy said:

As if there is an unmolested R32 out there!!!!

 

There is an unmolested 33 out there. And i can tell you without a doubt, it is slow as all hell. A wopping 177kw at the wheels makes you feel like... like you're sort of moving. If you've driven anything that has even a basic premise of "sporty" then you'll be ok. 

To be honest, the big thing is not treating the throttle like an on/off switch. Turns out all cars can be driven pretty damn slowly if you aren't heavy on the throttle. 

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On 24/07/2020 at 5:49 AM, Super Drager said:

Must be school holidays again.

Or someone's slacking off in school. 

Cos school holidays ended a fortnight ago. 

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45 minutes ago, Count Grantleyish said:

Cos school holidays ended a fortnight ago.

There are different states you know. SA Uni holidays finish right now. 1st day of 2nd semester tomorrow. Most 1st year Uni students are still mentally 12 years old.

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13 minutes ago, GTSBoy said:

There are different states you know. SA Uni holidays finish right now. 1st day of 2nd semester tomorrow. Most 1st year Uni students are still mentally 12 years old.

Ah yeah, forgot about uni students. 

I teach TAFE students for a living, hence different timetables. 

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On 7/26/2020 at 8:08 PM, Steve85 said:

There is an unmolested 33 out there. And i can tell you without a doubt, it is slow as all hell. A wopping 177kw at the wheels makes you feel like... like you're sort of moving. If you've driven anything that has even a basic premise of "sporty" then you'll be ok. 

To be honest, the big thing is not treating the throttle like an on/off switch. Turns out all cars can be driven pretty damn slowly if you aren't heavy on the throttle. 

I doubt its even that much.

We had 3 33's with a front mount and and exhaust all put up 180rwkw at a dyno day, with a standard exhaust and side-mount i'd wager its closer to 170

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Well R33 GTST was 184kw stock at the flywheel, so more like 140 at the wheels. Which is why the whole "400 is the new 200" thing makes me laugh.

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37 minutes ago, sneakey pete said:

I doubt its even that much.

We had 3 33's with a front mount and and exhaust all put up 180rwkw at a dyno day, with a standard exhaust and side-mount i'd wager its closer to 170

Your reference to a side mount implies gtst. Steve is talking about a 33 GTR

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1 hour ago, sneakey pete said:

I doubt its even that much.

We had 3 33's with a front mount and and exhaust all put up 180rwkw at a dyno day, with a standard exhaust and side-mount i'd wager its closer to 170

Yeah sorry. We've got a 33 GTR that's stock with no kms on it. It's a lovely car, but I wouldn't describe it as fast. 
I had it dyno'd at CRD before i bought it. 177kw at all four. I've the sheet somewhere.

A better test, was match against my blue car, the stock one on boost at full throttle was as quick to 100kph as my blue one off boost in 2nd from 15kph. Once my blue one reach boost and grabbed third... lol

I'd be surprised if our Silver car could lose a modern hot hatch. It could probably keep up, but 1997 was a looong time ago. 

 

Anyway to OPs point, it's how you drive the car that matters. Some of the most stupid and dangerous driving i've done was in my 1990 N13 Pulsar with maybe 70kw at the wheels. I often think about the dumb shit I did in that car and how lucky i am to be here now.

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Well...to be fair to all, the OP asked about a GTR -  true........but then mistakenly also talked about 20 and 25 DET motors......this added to some of the confusion.

IMO, don't buy a Skyline unless:

  • you want +20 year old power and are willing to chase the rainbow,
  • have a good tool kit and aren't afraid to use it, 
  • are happier throwing spanners around than watching TV
  • can live on 2 minute noodles and no money but have a great 6 -boost/garrett/hks/ etc etc etc to install
  • have no girlfriend or a long suffering one who understands
  • know that you can't make every trendy coffee shop meet cos you need to get the car going again
  • all your t shirts have oil/grease stains

Others can add to the list, I've probably forgotten a fair few.

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i'd add/expand to the not making meets one to being prepared for it to be off the road long enough that you buy a second 'fun' car to use during that time. Which of course presumes some of the other points about 2 minute noodles and no significant others taken to the extreme

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Do not buy a skyline if you want to take the turbo off.  In-fact do not buy a skyline at all if you're worried about a turbo you will write it off for sure.

Enjoy :) 

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Based on the above advice i think the general consensus is its difficult and expensive to remove a turbo and make it NA....  recommendation just put a rubber stopper behind the accelerator and limit your ability to go fast that way.

In addition a stock skyline is not overly fast and will not wear out components like a modified skyline (which also isnt that bad if done properly). It would probably be cheaper to buy an NA skyline and sell it and then buy a turbo skyline when you want more power. The NA's maintain awesome resale value as every p plater wants one.

Also drifting in an NA skyline isnt going to be too much fun, and to get it ready for circuit racing you would need coilovers and sway bars as a minimum, but given its 25 years old would also need to have most bushings replaced, suspensions arms replaced with adjustable components and a HICAS removal... check out my build thread, it will give you an idea of the work i needed to do to get the car to a point where i was happy.

Also is there a reason you want a skyline specifically? You may be better in an 86 and then adding a turbo or supercharger when you want more speed...... something to consider

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55 minutes ago, Tobz said:

will not wear out components like a modified skyline

Except that almost every Skyline that is for sale is already worn out in every way possible.

The only Skylines that are in good condition are not currently for sale. They are being kept.

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1 hour ago, GTSBoy said:

Except that almost every Skyline that is for sale is already worn out in every way possible.

The only Skylines that are in good condition are not currently for sale. They are being kept.

So true..... and they asking big bucks for a car that is full of early 2000's modifications, like the fully sick chrome wheels, fibreglass kits that are cracking and random reupholstered interiors with painted dash's....

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25 minutes ago, Tobz said:

So true..... and they asking big bucks for a car that is full of early 2000's modifications, like the fully sick chrome wheels, fibreglass kits that are cracking and random reupholstered interiors with painted dash's....

Yes, case in point. $35,000 for this!!!

 

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