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    Micolour Sauvic Deca Motorkhana - Final 2010 Round

    in Archived Events

    Posted

    These people have sent me entries with nothing in the licence section:

    Daniel Robson

    Steven Skrekovski

    Tony Skrekovski

    Jack Kuzior

    Ash Cosgriff

    David Lee

    Edwina Andrews

    David Church

    Srete Cvetkoski

    Glynn Matthews

    Please print off the form from the link below, fill it out 100% and either send it to AASA bring it to sign in with exact money please.

    Anybody who does not have a licence can do this.

    Ok just clearing a few things up. I'm not actually the one racing. It is my car but on the form I put down "Megan Vansteensel" as the driver. The reason my licence number is not on there is because it's expired and I wont be there to renew it. Megan will be the one driving the car and she will be purchasing her membership and licence on the day. Is that all cool? :)

    140km/h Off-peak Speed Limit

    in Victoria

    Posted

    P-Platers are always going to be dickheads no matter how much you punish them I completely concur. Hell even my father who grew up in 60's wrapped a mini with 6 mates in it around a pole, so limiting power is completely irrelevant. But like Skaife said in the story in Germany the teenagers are taught to manage speed, to manage powerful cars, there's no point letting them only have little 4-cylinder cars your only postponing the inevitable, they will end up driving a high powered car and no idea how to drive it. I call BS on the whole 4 cylinder thing anyway, a NA SR20 in a S13-S15 will easily make more power per ton than a VN Commodore or EA falcon. If we take into account the modern Euro 4 cylinders it becomes an a completely moot point.

    The fines arent for the P-Platers they are for the rest of the general public........20km/h over the speed limit on the freeway is really meaningless yet in a school zone at 3:00 in the afternoon it is a massive issue, yet both warrant the same punishment......

    I never suggested that fines were ment for P-Plater, nor was my post targeting them, however I can see how it could be taken that way. I was just going along with Skaifie on how we need more training and experience for younger drivers. Yes there are laws and yes you should obey them, that goes for everyone, I do not disagree with you there. Especially in the case of school zone at 3:00 in the afternoon.

    However as for my four cylinder proposal, perhaps you should look more into it. A VN commodore is only about 100kg heavier than an S13-15. Stock non turbo SR20 make between 100kw-125kw (Correct me if I'm wrong please, I'm not an SR20 expert lol) and the stock VN V6 made about 125kw (Again corrections). Now I'm sure being a larger displacement, the V6 will have more torque yes? If so, which car do you think is going to be faster from 60km/h, 80km/h or 100km/h? It's the distance in which it takes these drivers to reach the high speeds that they kill themselves at is what we need to stop young drivers from achieving. You don't hear of many young drivers, or older drivers for that manner in fatal accident on 100km/h highways. I'm not saying you don't hear about them, because we do! Most seem to be in place where the speed has been deemed safe to drive at 80km/h or below. With Skaifes proposal of 140km/h speeds at off peek times on some roads, I see no problem in letting P-Plate drivers drive at these speeds. In doing so they gain the experience to handle there car at higher speeds and can see how the speed affects there car. After four years of driving in their four cylinder car at speeds up to 140km/h, SAFELY, they with have the experience and skill base to handle a higher powered car.

    Daniel

    P.S quote "......make it unaffordable to speed and to break the road rules and watch the number fines tumble. Hearing about a friend getting a $1500 fine will soon motivate people to obey the road rules. They will have no choice, if they do they get financially hammered, most families cant afford to fork out $1500 so then a beautiful thing happens people start forcing each other to obey the road rules in order to not get fined, so the government doesnt need to ram home that message......"

    It wont stop everyone from speeding. They know it's illegal in the first place yet they do it anyway. It will stop a lot of people yes for example you and me(Theres no way I want to fork out $1500 for speeding) but for those whom don't pay attention to speed signs it will have no affect, and they are the ones having the accidents

    140km/h Off-peak Speed Limit

    in Victoria

    Posted

    ......I'm far from the greatest driver, but I still to road rules like glue because my license is far too precious for me to lose. More people need to have that same mentality, make the penalties for bad driving 5x worse, 5x the points and 5x the fines, things would change very quickly drivers would become more alert and generally better. Its the only way to convert the current useless crop of road users to reasonable drivers. Obviously reforms would also have remove the stupid 0-10km/h over the speed limit bullshit and a few other things but I think given time it could work. But in doing that you would K.O a massive source of government revenue, if you get done for 25km/h you lose your license as opposed to being able to pay 4 fines, you only pay 1, so its doubtful something like that would ever be implemented....
    .........Next comes the type of vehicles, a P plater who is an inexperienced driver does not need a big powerful car. Comparisons are regularly made with European countries, 1-1.5 litre cars will suffice however the bigger picture of the local industry needs to be considered here. A young driver doesn't need any more confidence than they already have with the freedom of a car. This includes power, music, full of mates, weather, traffic conditions, wildlife etc. Mitigate as much risk as possible........

    I'm going to have to disagree with you there 'FrangaR33'. Uping the fines and penalties wont stop people from speeding and killing themselves. We all know it's illegal to speed yet people do it anyway. 5x the points, 5x the fine, people will still continue to break the law. Look at all these kids killing themselves; they know they can only have one passenger, they know they can only drive at 60km/h on hypothetical road, yet they still pack their car with five of their good mates and go flying down the road at 160km/h into their neighbors tree. So worse fines wont stop them doing it. Restricting what they can drive will help immensely.

    Going off what 'saff_cossie' was saying, restricting P-Platers to four cylinder vehicles, I think, will reduce our road toll. It takes much more time for a four cylinder to get to that tree hitting 160km/h than a Commodore/Falcon. Being forced to drive a lower powered vehicle for four years will give new drivers a chance to develop driving skills. I bought my first car at 16. It was a 1982 Toyota Celica. Now this car is quite capable of driving at 200km/h, however, it will take about fifteen minutes to get to that speed. Head to head, my car was able to keep up with my mates brand new magnate ute until 60km/h, after that though it was a different story. During my time as a P-Plater I learned many driving skills such as, heel and tow, clutch kicking, threshold breaking and weight transfer. All skills you don't need a high powered car to learn.

    Now sorry to all you P-Platerd that are shouting at me saying,"But I need my V6 Commodore/4Letre Falcon Ute for work". Well did you guys know that they have 4 cylinder utes that have more than enough torque for your working purposes? Toyota have their Hilux's, Mazda have their Bravo's, and I'm sure there are many other vehicles out there that can do the job.

    Having developed my new driving skills I now feel more experienced and ready to handle high power cars, as would most drivers if they took this course of action.

    Sorry for the long read guys lol :glare:

    Daniel

    Deca Wrap Up - Saturday 5th June 2010

    in Victoria

    Posted

    I noticed this as well.. Considering the engine in my car when it came out, had 75kw @ the flywheel, 26 years later I'm tipping its making a lot less.

    With drive train losses I'm putting it at about 30-40rwkw at the moment!

    My long wang runs couldn't have been any faster, i was driving the pants off it, and yet I'm way down the field.

    also that first battle was very high-power friendly!!

    But hey... there is many more-powerful cars below me so I am happy....

    Sucks to be you guys :D

    :D:P:banana::banana:

    My AE86 only has about 70kw at the wheels And I seem to come around 25th every time. I haven't seen what place I came this time yet as I can't seem to get the damn file open but I'm guessing I came around that again lol

    The lighter weight of my car helps me keep a higher speed through those tighter corners as well as a shorter breaking distance. When it comes to the long wang though, I don't have the power to get up to speed so my best times are around the 1.00s to 1.05s mark :(

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