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Lol Harry, you certainly take a 'hobby' seriously. Actually I was trying to encourage you to do the best with what you have instead of spoiling it by making excuses all the time, pity you take all this personally and are so defensive.
Not sure if you can hear yourself, but that's not encouragement. People are only ever going to take offense at crap like "you spoil it by making excuses all the time". What excuses anyway? I don't think the auto Soarer needed any excuses with the times it ran - 59 at Lakeside and breaking a class record at Mt Cotton, 4th in class at QLD Supersprint State Championships in a class up against AWDs and cars using cheater slicks. If that's not doing the best with what you have, I don't know what is...
And saying stuff like "easy sub 60s" is not encouragement either - it's setting an unrealistic expectation so it will look bad when it doesn't do it. And it's complete nonsense coming from a bloke who needs three times the power in a lighter car to jag one single flukey sub 60 lap in many many years of trying. That's the thing that should be doing easy sub 60s.
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It's not making excuses to correct a senile old man who thinks an MR2 with 200bhp Camry V6 and cheapo off the shelf BC coilovers shoule do "easy sub 60s"! But I'm not the one that needs excuses anyf**kingway...
If taking it seriously means spending heaps of money to try and go faster, I'm not interested. The amount you spend doesn't increase the enjoyment on the track. Nor does taking it seriously for that matter - that's the opposite of the way I approach my hobbies. hth
maybe you should focus on how fast your shitbox shoulda gone... btw those spec 86 racers have done a 1:42 at Bathurst. And we know you can keep up with them on tight twisty tracks with a pro driver at the wheel even when your car is running crappy. So on the wide open expanses of Bathurst, you should obliterate them! You've set your own expectations old timer - the pressure is on. Don't cop out by using crappy tyres either, we're all watching. Time to back up the talk, mr 'take it seriously'... And I'm sure we won't be hearing any excuses before you even get there, will we? lol
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edit: nevermind...
but now my MR2 road car should 'easily' be faster than the lighter, more powerful 86 race car with a Pro driver...
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Plenty of average spec Zeds doing 63's though Harry
There should be - hundreds of kilos lighter and capable of as much power as the MR2 easily, with cheap easy 'average' brake upgrades etc, but there's certainly not "plenty". Unless 2 or 3 counts as plenty in your books... and by average, you mean only the fastest of the state's Zeds that are basically race cars...
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63's!!! Old Zed cars do that, the very best do under 60's. The best driving experiences I've ever had were when pushing it around Lakeside, street driving has no comparison, you must be getting soft Harry
Funny - it takes some Zeds that weigh less than this MR2 over 450rwbhp to just barely sneak into a 59 on one single lap ever... Not to mention expensive MCA suspension, aero and years and years of trying...
And the old "280Z" cheater spec race car Zed that held the Class S sportscar lap record ran a best of 64, and it just sold for approximately 12 times the cost of this everyday road car MR2...
The only two old Zeds powered by Datsun motors to ever break 60 sec both have 3.3l $30K motors alone and needed super soft slick tyres to do it...
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you've got no idea... It's just a 200bhp mid 90s 3VZ Camry motor. Power to weight is about the same as an 86. They've got pretty sharp handling too. With suspension setup by the best - MCA, and Josh Coote driving, they run 63s. I'll be happy around that.
And crappy tyres are my trademark! So you're going to be dissapointed
But it's not really about Lakeside, or any other track for that matter. It's just for the fun of it, and for the totally different driving experience of a small, light(ish), rorty naturally aspirated mid engined car.
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lol I may have neglected to mention it got it's 4th outright mainly through fuel economy and not having to change brake pads like all the big powerful cars.
Stock Camry power is not going to get anywhere near 60 sec! And that's not what the car's about anyway. It's about the rorty NA engine, razor sharp handling, and enjoying a totally different driving experience.
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I think the handling 'issues' are a common misconception. Proper motoring journos (ie the ones who could drive - like Tiff Needell) raved about them when they were first released, and they were untouchable in their class (NA sports cars) at Bathurst's 12hr Production car races - even ending up with a 4th outright.
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Nothing much: Torsen, BC coilovers (I changed the front spring rate), stainless exhaust, FMIC, transmission cooler, HKS SLD & FCD, 18x9.5 and 10.5s
Series II, Black on black - so no horrible multi-tone brown or green interior... but pov pack cloth trim, no sunroof. SAAS fixed position drivers seat and JZA80 passenger seat (stock seats included). Pretty average paint and some no f**ks given hacks for track cooling and stuff... Mechanically A1 $4800 as it is, but I might pull some bits out of it and throw a stock front bar on before selling it a little cheaper - plywood ducting may not be for everyone...
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pretty much the exact opposite of a Soarer - SW20 MR2 with Camry 3VZ-FE 3.0 V6, light flywheel, Quaiffe diff, coilovers... slower, but I imagine it will be far more "involving" to drive
Only had it for a day, but it's an event just driving it in traffic - can't wait to get it out on some decent roads this weekend! -
Hope the groups do work out well and the traffic problems I'm imagining don't happen - it's just too much money for me to take the risk. I don't have the money now anyway - just bought another car and the Soarer's up for sale.
Is the V8 up and running now Richard?
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There are a heap of blokes from the Z car club going who have plenty of track experience, I wouldn't count on getting held up by a slower car in regularity if I was you. If your top speed is 200kph then you will be the one in the way on the straights at least. Anyway the point I was trying to make was that if you want to run Bathurst then this opportunity is likely to be as good as it gets with the Soarer. It's up to you of course, makes no difference to me.
you're going aren't you?
that vid you posted smells like racing to me, not regularity - full cages, names on windows, sponsors, wacko paintjobs...
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huh? Pretty sure I said it would be awesome fun to drive across the top of the mountain. Not sure why you think it wouldn't be fun in the Soarer, other than you have no idea and just wanted to have a dig... I know it's not your kind of car, and you probably struggle to see how something with so little power could be fun, but for me it's about corner speed - big bhp isn't needed. To say it again, it's not about the car, it's about that event not suiting me. Another car isn't going to change that... I love driving to Soarer - it's great fun in the corners.
50 cars in 6km is not for me. For people who dream of opening up their big power cars down the straights, it probably is, but that does nothing for me. For those people who will be holding everyone up over the blind, cresting, concrete lined corners over the top of the mountain, it will also be great value. I just don't see how I can get my enjoyment out of that event with so many cars per km on such a challenging track that will scare people far more than Lakeside or Phillip Island, and take most of the regularity field a looong time to come to terms with. It's just not for me - even if it is the easiest way to get to drive around Bathurst under closed conditions. For me it's about pushing my limits in corners, and that's unlikely to happen much with so many cars and the nature of that track. Pottering around behind a slow car over the top of the mountain will be no more exciting for me than driving it at the speed limit any day of the week.
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As an experienced hillclimber, the semi (even the R888) will always be better than the KU36.
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that just responding to it being the perfect track for the Soarer, when it's pretty much the opposite. Top of the mountain would be awesome fun, but not in a regularity group of 50 cars. choo choo...
I've done two Bathurst Speed Weekends. It's an awesome place and I'd love to do the whole track, but that doesn't sound all that exciting to me.
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It's a whole lot less than half Dallara!
I was surprised to read how much Ferrari is in that car - it's every single fking thing except the tub, nose cone (even the wings are Ferrari clones) and engine cover. I'm a whole lot less impressed with Haas' results too.
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he has won 5 in a row. Probably deserves a little credit...
Hass goes half alright! But then it is half Ferrari
5 in a row is as many as Hamilton has ever managed!
And only 7 other drivers in history have won 5 or more in a row!
http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/f1/history/consecutive-wins-in-f1/
And it turns out Hass is WAY more than half Ferrari! lol
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he has won 5 in a row. Probably deserves a little credit...
Hass goes half alright! But then it is half Ferrari
STR are mixing it with Williams and RBR as predicted - good to see. But the Renault PU s going OK these days too.
It's shaping up as a pretty tasty season. Even Kimi looked like he was actually there to race this weekend!
Bottas very hard done by with that penalty. He made the apex, wasn't pushing wide or anything and was well up alongside - 100% entitled to be there imo.
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Nah, Phillip Island shows it really runs out of puff over 200km/h. The most it hit there was 218 and it would only do that on the 1st lap when everything was cold. Normally more like 212 top speed... And it took ages to get there - coming onto that long straight at about 180. It might almost hit 230 down Conrod with a tailwind lol
After-all, it is just a stocky with exhaust and FMIC... The Soarer actually prefers lots of corners rather than big straights, as strange as that seems.
But the track densities and costs don't suit me at all. Sprint is 120 cars in 3 groups, getting 8 sessions over 2 days. That's 40 cars per group!!! On a 6.2km track is about double the density of the Phillip Island sprint I did at the end of last year - and it was almost impossible to get a clear lap in without being held up by slow traffic or yellows there...
But apparently my road car has to be in regularity anyway, where there'll be over double the number of cars, and presumably shorter sessions. Nah, I'll pass.
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details? mainly cost... I could bring the '160Z' replica
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It's $500 and doesn't seem to do anything the myriad of $20 phone apps can't...
except that after a session I can review my laps immediately on the phone without needing to bring a laptop with me, that would be sitting around in the pits while I'm on the track.
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?? Ferrari PU has a very good reliability record
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just not normally that many...
They played it very conservative and it payed off.
The more impressive thing was how much faster the Renault PU is (by either name). It's got some straight line poke now. Dan passed Massa on the main straight, and the Works Renault team haven't gone backwards much if any from last year when they were Merc powered Lotus.
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Nice to see HAAS in 6th in their first race, but it's really not a representative finish.
STR gifted them 2 places. Ferrari retirement gifted them another. The other RBR should have been up there apart from al their woes culminating in not starting the race. Bottas being MIA all day equals yet another place...
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you seem to be trying to make some sort of issue about the MR2 model being some sort of secret??? I told you what it was the first time you asked:
As for minimising it's capabilities - I'm pretty sure I was talking them up??? The rave reviews of their handling and their race results from back in the day... It's just not realistic to expect a 200 flywheel bhp (if old mate selling the car was being honest about it being the update version of the motor - if not, it's about 180 fly), ~1250kg car to do easy sub 60s at Lakeside. Name me one other! Should be plenty - as you say, it's easy!!!
There's been heaps of 86s with pretty much the exact same power and weight that have been there now. Heaps of lighter Integra Type Rs with similar power to weight etc etc.
BTW a stock turbo MR2 makes 200bhp - easy sub 60s? As do stock Silvias, and they weight almost exactly the same. Easy sub 60s in them just with coilovers? Maybe you should stop spending squillions on your heavyweight 1000+kg Zed and buy a stock lightweight 1250kg MR2 turbo or something for the easy sub 60s? lol
Personally, I think it's a pretty high goal to match the modern 86 times I mentioned - they get rave reviews for their handling, and the times I mentioned had the best rubber (Z221s) and the $3000 MCA coilovers that have had heaps of targeted development work on various 86s at that track. And driven by a bloke with heaps of seat time in them at that track, and who's set up and driven the fastest 86s around all our tracks... That's not me minimising it's capabilities, it's you being completely, totally and utterly out of whack!