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Well, what he should do is find someone who does rather than just doing stuff that's just going to alienate the police further. A mate brought up an interesting comment on another forum, regarding the crushing cars thing. Lets say you're given it a bit of a hit and you see the party lights come on. You know that you'll probably get tagged for street racing, and your pride and joy is on the way to the crusher. So, do they stop and wait for the cop, or do they try and outrun them? They've generally got no air support, so its not like they need to try losing a helicopter. If the cops catch them, the car is gone either way. What do you think these idiots, who are more than happy to street race in built up areas, are going to do?

And the Yokos will cost about twice as much.

The NSW Police Commissioner now wants to crush hoons' cars, US style. And if you have a look at the other spate of "street racing" incidents mentioned, the cars are Pulsars, Charades and a Camry.....none of which are on the banned list. The only car possibly banned, a 300ZX, was the victim.

George said the damage was all cosmetic on JDM Style Tuning.

This may be the only time I've been faster than Andrew at a track day. His tyres must really have sucked....

I thought it might have been Andrew, perhaps in your car. I'll get the article out to Narada soon. Tonight, hopefully.

Yeah, I had a massive rant about it after the Wakefield CC...for which I got told off about. The A group is generally quite courteous. Aside from the cock in the turbo S2000, who has a reputation for it, to my knowledge everyone else in my session was waving faster traffic through. But when I drove in the B group at Wakefield, I had a couple of guys not wave me past, and in fact I had an Evo baulking me when I had a look up his inside to engage him in a braking duel. I promised Narada I'd do a "track courtesy" article, which I haven't completed yet. I'll try finishing it off this weekend so he can print it in The Circuit and maybe up on the site.

Was someone else driving your car or using your transponder? Your time on Natsoft is 1:52.

Great time! I thought you said you were running around 2 mins! You must have pulled out a blinder for that lap....

And I think you'd already left by the time XCUZME had his little excursion..... Good to hear. I still can't get the Turns 2-3 complex correct consistently, but I know where I should be even if I can't make it stick.

The cop is also technically breaking the law in inciting a street race (since both parties are generally responsible), yet they are not held accountable. I realise that cops are given "elevated" legal rights, in the course of their duties (detention, carrying firearms, etc) but those are only to be used to stop or prevent crime. If a cop was to speed and drive in a manner otherwise considered dangerous to chase down the two Commodore drivers and attempt to pull them over, then that's fair enough. Kidnap and detain them (i.e. arrest) based on established rules of evidence? That's great. But in the situations that started this thread, they're not stopping or preventing a crime. They are, in actual fact, instigating a crime....the complete opposite of their purported role. The other driver wasn't speeding or about to speed, and it was not until the cop incites it that it occurs.

No, they don't. They have an emotional experience with the situation which colours their judgement. Its just like people who are victims of crime calling for the death penalty; understandable given their experiences but otherwise anathema to "Australian values". Calls for the death penalty are generally ignored, so should support for entrapment. It should be decided on by someone with a level head, maturity, and a good deal of distance between themselves and the topic. That way a rational and lucid decision can be made. Technicalities separate justice from vigilantism. I realise, with our current War on Terror, that due process is a dirty word but there was once a time when people had principles. I guess I'm just old fashioned in expecting that people still do.

VD?

My favourite is still, "only cask wine comes in 5L"....but they're bogans, so they might think its boutique. Or, perhaps, "Hey, HSV finally hit 300kW with their 6.0L LS series engines! Welcome to where Nismo had a 2.8L RB back in 1996. I knew you guys were slow, but I didn't think it'd take you 11 years to catch up." Mentioning Bathurst is a bit tired these days. You could bring up how many Targa Tasmania victories a big bore V8 has taken in recent history, compared to a 3.6L Porsche, 2.6L GT-R, or 2.0L WRX. Or ask them which side of 8 minutes the Commodore runs at the Nurburgring. There's plenty of ammunition out there.

I remember someone once saying, in response to why speed limits are so low on motorways, that they're set for the lowest common denominator in average cars in a variety of conditions..etc etc, rather than good drivers in good cars who could reasonably go faster with the same amount of "safety". My response, ignoring what the definition of "upper limit" is vs their implementation of it, if those speed limits are set for the LCD and you can't keep with them....then you're not fit to drive on public roads. So, you f**kers who can't do 60km/hr in a 60 zone? Get the f**k off the road. Apparently you can't drive well enough to be considered a bad, yet passable, driver.

Its the "in" thing to do. The Victorian mobile tax collectors pulled a similar move outside Drag Tag at the beginning of the year. And yeah, I generally used to defend the conduct of cops. I've gotten done for speeding a few times, and while annoyed and thinking that in at least one case I could have been let off with a caution (doing 20km/hr over the limit on a highway at 3AM, in a straight section of well lit road, with good visibility) they were all dead to rights. I didn't like it, but I didn't think it was unjust. However, camping outside events designed to get drivers off the road and into sanctioned events is just low. If people were caught actually racing outside the event, f**k them over. But people who might be doing 10km/hr over the limit, or limping their cars home after the event in a "letter of the law" non-legal state but "spirit of the law" compliant state just sucks. Especially if they're parts people can easily remove to return the car back to a street legal condition (I'm specifically thinking of worn DOT-legal semi slicks).

From that article: What piss-poor excuse for a motorcycle or rider would that be if a Magna can keep up with it to 120km/hr?

One of the news articles says he's 20, which would make him a P plater right? And we all know P platers are driving gods that know everything. In fact, didn't the NSW government, RTA and police force just single out drivers his age for special mention? :laughing-smiley-014:

True, but Wade Watson could also be a retard. From this article it says he saw the tyres on the silver Commodore blow (the red one was just generating a lot of smoke, suspicious evidence since the VY range should have ABS across the board). In that photo, the driver's side rear tyre is clearly visible and intact. While the passenger side one is not clearly visible, the car isn't canted to that side.

That sounds like police work, and they were probably too busy looking for uncovered pod filters. From this pic: the tyres look fine on both cars.

The clarification on the "tyre exploding" assertion is even stupider: Yes, because the harder you brake the more the weight shifts to the rear, loading those tyres up even more, and increasing the risk of failure. Forget physics, lets just rely on non-expert eyewitness accounts! That comment is so implausible it shouldn't have even borne repeating. Typical ratshit sensationalism...

Or McDonalds being one of the world's most common restaurants. Popular does not equal good.

Confirmed.

Or, you know, try having an actual conversation instead of "What are you doing here?", "Are you on your P's", "What are you up to and where are you headed tonight?", or "Pop your bonnet please". It doesn't cost them anything to be nice, and act human. It occasionally happens to me and the guys I hang out with when I'm up at Thornleigh, and most of us think that they're pretty cool. If they selected car enthusiasts for HWP and gave them the freedom to act like a part of the car community instead of its overseer, and the knowledge of the relevant laws to ensure that they don't accuse people of doing something illegal when they are not, then maybe they'd get a bit more co-operation and earn a bit more credibility.

Maybe it means that banning sports cars, whose tyres don't "explode when they brake", or banning multiple occupants in cars after hours, isn't the answer to stopping people from hitting other cars so hard it propels an occupant out of it and kills them instantly, leaving the other occupant who wasn't knocked clear of the vehicle to die a far slower death.