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Hey everyone. Many of you already know Im an avid GT-R fan, well, now I have one. Actually I've had one since March but it's only been running for a couple of weeks now. We will be building it into clean, comfortable and fairly legal street car with supercar performance on a budget. SOme of you might have seen it all before, some might learn something. The first feature will be in Motive DVD #14, but in the mean time, I've put a back story feature on our website here:
PROJECT BUDGET SUPERCAR MOTIVE WEBSITE FEATURE
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unlucky NSW guys lol
IM sure you can tell me your problem with me in person this weekend?
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We'll be meeting you at Pheasants nest so we can film the road trip for the DVD.
Unfortunately our GTR isn't back together yet due to work being crazy busy
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Every racetrack in the world looks boring on a 2D map.
Driving it is very different
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Even better. Here it is.
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Hey everyone. We now have a map up on the website. Check it out.
http://trackbattle.com.au/trackbattle/2011/09/01/calder-park-thunderdome-track-map/
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I believe Ash has another announcement to make?
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Ha ha
At least we're willing to discuss with drivers, most events simply dont care
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this is an interesting point which gets raised from time to time and i'm assuming you are talking about the rule for clubsprint in WTAC (and guessing this has the same rule) that basically only 'premium' road tyres are allowed in club class with semis only for open and pro.
My solution to this is allow semi's in clubsprint (RE55, A050s etc) but maximum of 4 tyres or maybe 6 tyres per car (enforced with data-dots or some such).
that's how I'd do it. that way it keeps the cost down for guys in that class but allows them to use rubber they would normally use at the track. and it means most will buy mediums to ensure they get consistent pace over the weekend and make improvements in set-up and driving rather than just waiting for the best track conditions and slapping on another set of super softs.
We have a limit on tyres in all classes to eliminate big budget teams using brand new tyres every session and creating a big gap between big dollar teams and weekend racers. I have looked at the possibility of semis in street class and we will have a drivers meeting after every event where competitors can discuss and vote.
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It is just a super sprint at the end of the day.
I also believe and have it on good information that the nsw state super sprint panel are in the process of trying to add a "time attack" category to their championship line up.
Just to give all those cars at WTAC somewhere else to compete.
Anything unreg will require a cams logbook of any category an the cars will need to fit into the new "time attack" regulations they will potentially put in place.
Same sort of thing they did with SVD.
THis is true, I had a meeting with their board last year about it.
WE're with AASA so no CAMS politics to worry about at this stage
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This is turning into quite an interesting read I must say
In regards to TA being a glorified Super Sprint, I dont agree. I have attended enough Super Sprints in NSW and they were mostly old people in open wheelers and MX-5s. THe cars that weren't, were on slicks and not one single category suited my car. Also, every person there was a family member or friend. No crowd what so ever.
Time Attack is for tuner style cars running street tyres . Yes, I realise the top cars are far beyond that but they are built with almost no rules to become fantasy machines that are awesome to watch!
And in regards to drifting making you a better circuit driver, everyone who has tried drifting (properly that is) seems to agree with me, while those who havn't done it mostly don't. I've seen many circuit guys get sideways and dont know what to do. They either crash or drive real sloppy. Getting sideways for me is not out of the ordinary so you tend to push harder, look for the limit and do it with confidence.
Back on topic.
Event is going to be awesome. Finally Time Attack will see TV air time!
....... and Ash will blow a diff or hit the wall or both
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Sorry, but all you need for a televised series is a willingness to pay whatever they ask for the coverage. Plenty of categories have gone that way over the years, and in 90% of cases they can afford a season or 2, and then if it is successful the tv cost goes too high as the production companies get greedy. Think Porsche cup, mini cup, utes, fford, targa, production cars alone in the last few years.
Long term, seriously large sponsor committments of the sort required to build a $300k $uperlap car require multi year TV committments, and a track record of delivery.
Time attack has a long way to go before it shows it is anything other than the next big fad after hula hoops, yo-yos, and drifting.
There are seriously flawed fundamentals around cost and control competing at the top level, and if only 2-3 cars have a shot at winning a class, the other 10-12 cars spending 50-100k are going to disappear very quickly. Also there is no attempt to link state based feeder series like the existing supersprint/time attack champs, and national travel costs are a killer for most self funded competitors.
A valid point, but when the production company is owned by one of the organisers, who is actually a car enthusiast, its not quite the same situation.
Name one other event where entry fees of $380 or $580 bought you TV coverage?? Exactly. Try $3800 or $5800
All of the points you are brining up are completely valid and things we have looked at to overcome. We're not jumping into this trying to cash in, we've been wokring in this scene for a long time anmd treaded very carefully into it to help do it right. Cant please everyone though I guess.
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Yep, good contingent from SAU VIC competing in this event for sure. I'm entered with others filling in forms this and next week.
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Still not quite right
Toyo pulled out when the economic crisis hit in 2008 under dirtect orders from Japan HQ, not becuase they wanted to in Australia. The new owners weren't able to secure any major sponsorship, but we will be announcing very shortly ourt naming right sponsor and they ARE getting behind ADGP. Beleive it or not, not every drifter is a jobless bum ( although won't deny they exist). look at motorcross riders. before the go pro they usually look like broke bums as well.
Your also wrong about combining them to make buck. combining them to ensure the future of both series. Once either one can sustain themselves we are looking at running them separately. If enough poeple supoprt it we will, if they complain on the internet and dont enter, we wont be able to. I don't really like when people presume other people's motives for helping do something. Australia needs a national drift series to grow the sport and time attack drivers were crying out for more than one event to drive their car at, and we're giving TV coverage for both. Its not about cash, its about helping the scene Ive been a part of for a long time, but you do need to make the money back you invest, which is a LOT.
I own a drift and time attack car, so you can do both you know. in fact, drifting has helped me drive a RWD time attack car much better
Your negativity isn't going to help either sport
Jet you are only reinforcing what I said. It failed because sponsors withdrew...why...because kiddy skidders dont buy product.
look for them ferreting through the industrial bin at your locl bob jane store for tyres.
Hunt up the zip tie manufacturers for drift sponsorship. Theres a product they do buy.
Time attack in my part of the world certainly doesnt need the involvement of kiddyskidders to be succesful. It goes from strength to strength as witnessed by the number of radical builds that have appeared in the se qld corner in the last few years.
The only people who see the need to combine the 2 are those trying to make a buck. Short sightedness imo. They are 2 very different demographics as witnessed by superlap having to change their programme to show a much more defined demarcation between the two disciplines.
rightly or no drifters have bugger all appeal to anyone other than their fully sik mates, The drift spectators you refer to at superlap were made up largely of people who had already paid at the gate to attend the event. If you were to ask them why they went and sat on the hill to watch the skidders 9 times out of 10 the answer wouls simply be "because it was there". They certainly didnt spend plenty to travel interstate with all the ensuing costs to watch the kids slide. They did just that to watch time attack on the other hand.
I stand by my original statement. Short term gain for long term loss. Mixing the 2 will never improve the status of drifters but will drag time attackers down as potential sponors see the 2 being lumped under the one banner.
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The more stages the more oil you can circulate and the more vacuum you will pull in the crank case.
On a race car I normally use either a 4 or 5 stage. On a milder street car/weekend car I'd go a 3-4 stage tops.
Alot of people use a 4 stage and scavenge 2 from the sump and one from the head. It's not wrong but it's not ideal. The idea is create vacuum In the crank case and putting a scavenger in the head is not exactly helping to draw the oil to the sump pan where the remaining majority scavengers are trying to work.
Vacuum is always equal in all directions if the container ( engine) is sealed so scavenging from the head won't effect the vacuum levels but it is best if you can get all the oil flowing in one direction with gravity to the bottom.
With a 4 stage I'd normally run three pick ups in a sump channel. One from one center and one rear. With a five stage like my old race car had I'd use two channels one in front of the subframe one behind both with two scavengers feeding from them.
There is hundreds of sump design ideas out there nothing is really right or wrong, people scavenge in all different ways from all different positions.
I'd be interested to hear from others as to what they do with their scavengers and positioning.
On my road car I have a 3 stage to use. Two scavengers one at the rear ( scavenger on acceleration) and one 1/3 the way down the pan towards the front ( enough for heavy braking but far enough back to scavenge on acceleration too) usually with a 3 stage you will end up with excess oil in the pan, depending on the sump and channel design.
I'm doing a pan for an s15 at the moment for a 4 stage Peterson pump. The pump will be build into the pan and have internal scavengers when it takes some shape I'll put up some photos.
Our Motive DVD S14 time attack car needs a dry sump due to oil surge at high g-force.
interested to see what you come up with
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I don't mind it at night, I think it worked well this year. I'll admit to sneaking a couple of sherbets in and watching for an hour or so on the hill. Can think of worse things to do after a day in the pits
As long as the track is cleaned and the drift teams and their hangers-on are kept well away from the real cars in the pits then I'm happy
Funny part is drifters say similar things about time attack drivers............
We have designed all of the track layouts at each venue to have the least amount of impact between the drift course and time attack course, to the point that all three tracks only have one or two corners that are used by both drifters and time attack cars, making clean up procedures quick and easy. Also, the starline for the drifters wont be on a part of the track driven by time attack cars, meaning they wont drip oil and fluids onto the track.
We have taken a lot of this into consideration to make sure everyone is happy. The pits will be separate too.
From all of our research, Time Attack attracts sponsors while drifting attracts crowd. Both are important.
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Might be an idea to look at how the yanks arrange their 'road course' circuits which are based on a speedway oval. None of this hard barrier nonsense which may be fine for the top drivers but sucks for those of us are less than perfect and have to pay for our own repairs. Bit of a reality check required here, great idea but get it real.
Kerbing and tyres are being used for most of the course. Water barriers will only be used in a couple of safety concern spots, but will also ahve tyres before them and wont be filled with water. No reality check required, and I've covered numerous Redline Time Attack events on ovals in the US for DSPORT DVD and know a lot about how they are run. We are doing everything we can to exploit the good parts of teh thunderdome and cancel out the bad.
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Was reading the latest HPI magazine out, had a small article about the Track Battle & Drift Grand Prix and stated there will only be 2 rounds this year QLD and WA? No Victorian round anymore?
Over the WTA weekend was wondering around and chatting to people and was told the Victoria Calder meeting may get canned, thought it was crap and didn't take any notice but anyone got any more info?
Don't want to start a rumour but seemed very odd it was not in the article from HPI
that press release was written over 4 months a go before Calder was confirmed. Express has 3-4 month lead times so you shouldnt listen to anything they hav as "NEWS". The website sais its go, there was a testing video and no offical notice it's canned so why would you just presume that? Its on 110% and the track is already paid for.
Ash is entered so come cheer him on
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Short term gain for long term loss. Drifting failed largely because of the demographics it appeals to. Sponsors arent interested in swapping product for cracked fish tanks and broken pocket bikes to flat cappers with spastic hands. (see every photo of Mad mike in the sl thread)
It may bring a few extra people to an event but in the long term it will keep a few away too. Like it did to their own series to the point it failed.
Gonna have to pull you up here. Right on some counts, wrong on others.
Yes, many sponsors dont want anything to do with "typical" drifters, which is understandable, but DA failed when Toyo pulled out hundreds of thousands of dollars in sponsorship, leaving DA high and dry at the last minute. They then sold it to new owners who ran nightclubs and had no idea about drifting. Lack of fans was certainly not the reason and WTAC proved that.
The reason ADGP and Track Battle are run in parralel to each other is simple. Each sport on their own isn't quite strong enough to hold their own as a national series.....yet.
Simple part is:
Time Attack brings sponsors
Drifting brings spectators
Need both for a successful telvised national series
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Already sold and paid for. Damn!
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3- Enkei RPF1 18x9.5 +15 and 1810.5-inch+15 wheels. These are super super light. On par with TE37s but much cheaper ( and less common in Aus ). Wheels were painted black here and have a couple of chips but no damage to the actual wheels.
They come with Toyo R888 255/35R18 and 275/35R18 tyres. They've done a few track days but still have 40- 50% tread left on then so could still be driven on the street for a while or two or three track days left in them.
Selling as I have purchased 2 matching sets of something else. Asking $1700 Check out how awesome they are here: ENKEI WEBSITE - RPF1
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The Drift Series is filling up like a fat kid in an all you can eat restaurant. Time Attack is starting to catch on.
Ash assures me he and all of his friends will be entering, isn't that right Ash.
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One of the organisers, yes, sponsorship and money determines everything. If a big name sponsor and all the drivers are keen, it will go North, if they aren't it won't. I'd like to, but my personal desire to do so can't be the reason
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Its designed to be THE Australian Drift Series. We've invested a lot of time and money into it and are in it for the long haul
But will be an awesome weekend 
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Happy New Year From Motive Dvd
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