Just picked up Stag

[Sydneykid]

Ooooops, so is my response "it's 4wd like a GTR" OK?

[jake32]

:bs!:  

Lol - i know you said u didnt "wish to sound pedantic" - but it does to me... a bit too easily annoyed maybe? Not really that big a deal in my book Burns - its your car so call it what you like  If I pulled up alongside a 'van goon' at the lights Id probably say whatever I could make up just for a laugh... "Its the new 2005 R35 GTR wagon with 400rwkW from factory"...  Its sort of like someone having a go at the accuracy of your avatar... "Fat Datsun Wagon"... well TECHNICALLY, having spent ages restoring a genuine old Datsun wagon, I am a bit annoyed at people comparing a modern day Nissan..... LOL - sorry couldnt resist

 

But yeah - on the same topic though of accuracy of comparison... I've been trying to work out what the comparable 'drive-line' for my series 2 would be - seeings i dont think there was a 4WD version of the R34 GTT (could be wrong), I cant really say "R34 GTT engine with a ???? drive-line"...

Anyone know what the Series 2 driveline has also been used in??

ok guys ..find someone on this forum who enjoys having his GTR confused with GTS-T...and you will know how i feel

driveline.. to me has always included engine and gearbox..ie the drive

and yes there is ENR34 4wd NEO which is most likely the same DRIVELINE as s2 stagea

and technically... having owned a 93 60th aniversary edition r32 skyline ..nissan claim the D.A.T. sun companys first car in 1933 as there heritage ...good enough for nissan ..good enough for me...we all drive datsuns

[jake32]

and yeah .. leave my avatar out of it .. ...spent 3 years at THE BAY...and i`m not guilty

[Brazen]

[insert not-so-aggressive tone here - just trying to comprehend your distinction of perception here... plus I love a good debate]

A modern day Nissan is still further removed from a Datsun than a RS4 Stagea's driveline is from a GTR's - so yeah just as your interpretation of the differnce can be rationlised to make you comfortable with calling your Stagea a Datsun (despite the offence it may cause Dtason historians and purists), we are justified to rationalise our atessa system to be like a GTR's... get over it - as you said - its pedantic. And the comparison to a GTR owner being compared to a GTST isnt the same coz Burns didnt say the WHOLE car was like a GTR - just the driveline which (apart from the gearbox) is very similar.

And you are incorrect to include the engine in your definition of a driveline... here's a cut and past of the dictionary definition:

drive_line  

noun  

drive_line, drive_line_system

   : mechanism that transmits power from the engine to the driving wheels of a motor vehicle  

So yeah - its components AFTER the engine and through to the wheels...

But regardless - Ill describe/compare MY car however I see fit

Anyways - nice work on nabbing a 260RS ... keen as mustard on one of those babies down the road sometime... prob once the M35 Autech versions have a few years and kms on them mmmmm

END OF :flamed:

[jake32]

like i said at first the 4wd attessa system doesn`t make it a gtr driveline..just like it dosen`t make the gtir pulsar or the cefiro that uses the system a gtr driveline..2.5stagea has more in common with gts4 but i understand that just dosen`t sound as cool as gtr..

"But regardless - Ill describe/compare MY car however I see fit.".

exactly ...hence the fat datsun thing

and thanks for the dictionary definition of driveline..a bit pedantic but thanks

[Sk0pe]

I think it has more to do with common knowledge than correctness. How many Joe Bloggs out there know what a GTs4 is? When you say "Skyline" to the majority of this country's Holden and Ford patsies they remember getting their arses kicked in the early 90's. They all think "Skyline = GTR = 4wd turbo". Thus it's easier to get the message across (for me) to say "Think of a Skyline GTR wagon, put in an auto transmission, slightly smaller engine and one less turbo. Oh, and make it ugly."

Now we all KNOW this is even less correct than saying "GTsT engine with a driveline like the GTR", but when I have to explain exactly what the GTsT is first, it makes it even worse... so sorry for offending but I'm just lazy.

[jake32]

I think it has more to do with common knowledge than correctness. How many Joe Bloggs out there know what a GTs4 is? When you say "Skyline" to the majority of this country's Holden and Ford patsies they remember getting their arses kicked in the early 90's. They all think "Skyline = GTR = 4wd turbo". Thus it's easier to get the message across (for me) to say "Think of a Skyline GTR wagon, put in an auto transmission, slightly smaller engine and one less turbo. Oh, and make it ugly."  

Now we all KNOW this is even less correct than saying "GTsT engine with a driveline like the GTR", but when I have to explain exactly what the GTsT is first, it makes it even worse... so sorry for offending but I'm just lazy.

my problem if you can call it that is the holden /ford tossers that come up to me and say ..is that one of those GTR wagons ..me thinking they are half informed says" yes it is" only to hear back "yeah there about 25 grand down at such and such motors arn`t they" well no there not ...blah blah ..

i`m over it ,its boring... starting to prefer the completetly uniformed volvo/magna thing

as the guy with the dictionary has pointed out you will need to change ,gearbox ,tailshaft ,diff,axles (not engine) to have a GTR driveline

and i was hoping that the informed users of this forum would not continue the incorrect lines used by the used car saleman at such and such motors and elsewhere to sell gts4 wagons...not that theres anything wrong with them..but apart from the body shape there nothing like my car

[tigerleo62]

Someone told me the auto box in the series 1 stag is the same as in the big nissan four wheel drives - so should we tell people the stag is a 'mini-patrol'?

I just tell people that it is like a skyline station wagon - 2.5 single turbo and auto box, oh and 4WD - they make up their own mind what ever else the car may be like underneath, ontop, inside, outside or whatever

[Sk0pe]

Hmmm, that might make sense about the auto box. Perhaps it's from the pathfinder which also uses the attessa system. Can anyone verify that?

[jake32]

sorry but i have to ask the question ..is there such a thing as a Datsun purist??

and if so ...if i buy myself a 120Y ..can i come to the meetings??

got to see that bunch for myself

[Terminal]

I've been thinking about this lately, trying to be more correct, but then i realised i wasn't wrong. If someone asks me what my car is, i've always said It's an AWD Wagon with a skyline engine. never really occured to me to say anything about GTR because it doesn't carry that badge.

[Brazen]

... never really occured to me to say anything about GTR because it doesn't carry that badge.

Good point - and neither does the 260RS... Im sure a good number of GTR owners would laugh at any comparison between a GTR and a Stagea 260RS - so as I say - people can describe their car however it fits for them... there'll always be people 'a bit annoyed' but really who cares.

[jake32]

Good point - and neither does the 260RS... Im sure a good number of GTR owners would laugh at any comparison between a GTR and a Stagea 260RS - so as I say - people can describe their car however it fits for them... there'll always be people 'a bit annoyed' but really who cares.

260rs does have a gtr driveline and its the only stagea that can claim it has

so enjoy your gts 4 .wagon ... that does not

my point in the first place

:thankyou:

ps :also own a couple of of gtr`s atm and don`t find the comparison laughable at all

....just a little bemused at the 2.5 auto comparison

[Brazen]

And hence back to MY original point - anyone is free to compare what they like as loosely as they like to help explain their car as best they see how. You wanna call your Stagea a GTR - go for it (but technically it aint considering all the differences... styling, weight, suspension, cornering, performance - hence why some GTR owners might laugh at your comparison - not you of course coz you're the topic of discussion lol). But If I want to make comparisons to a GTR - I'll do so, just as you can - its all a perception of righteousness on your behalf chump - lost all credibility in my book... a new Stag owner posts a lighhearted first couple of encounters in his Stag and you go getting all "Ooo Im a genuine GTR Stag owner and I just hate joo noobs taking away from my coolnees coz Im so leet"... nice way to welcome a new Stagea owner... you anti-community stuck-up f00l... back in your box.

[jake32]

And hence back to MY original point - anyone is free to compare what they like as loosely as they like to help explain their car as best they see how.  You wanna call your Stagea a GTR - go for it (but technically it aint considering all the differences... styling, weight, suspension, cornering, performance - hence why some GTR owners might laugh at your comparison - not you of course coz you're the topic of discussion lol).  But If I want to make comparisons to a GTR - I'll do so, just as you can - its all a perception of righteousness on your behalf chump - lost all credibility in my book... a new Stag owner posts a lighhearted first couple of encounters in his Stag and you go getting all "Ooo Im a genuine GTR Stag owner and I just hate joo noobs taking away from my coolnees coz Im so leet"... nice way to welcome a new Stagea owner... you anti-community stuck-up f00l... back in your box.

your just a dreamer

[jake32]

and can i come to the "datsun purist" meeting or not ... iv`e found a 180B in the trading post

[Brazen]

go find some Datto club and ask them... that all u got?? Tool. It was a euphemism to exemplify how the accuracy in car comparisons is applied lightly by yourself when it suits you - but you have to take someone elses application of loose comparison to task on some holier than thou mission.

Get over yourself. Can just picture you having a tanty on the floor banging your fists and feet crying "Its NOT a GTR driveline Its NOT a GTR driveline ITS NOT boo hoo"

[jake32]

i just thought you were the PRESIDENT of the" datsun purist "club thats all

[Brazen]

Nah presidency was handed to you unanimously - who could argue, what with your "fat datsun wagon" and all lol

die thread die :wassup:

[SafT]

i can say we have 3 stageas with "gtr" drivetrains

2 have rb26's

1 was a rs4s (used for parts)

but personally i feel we have 1 with a 260rs drivetrain (hey, its factory fit isnt it), and one with a gtr setup (thats where it was transplanted from)