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I'm interested, if it fits R32. Whereabouts in Oz are you? Also, what's the lowest price for it, including freight to Adelaide SA, if you're interstate. Please PM or e-mail on [email protected] I added you to my MSN, so maybe can chat there. Thanks.

Heya all, I've been toying with the idea of a larger SMIC, such as an ARC or Tomei unit, as they're allegedly 30% larger than stock, but still mount up in the same spot. Would one of these be ok for around 10psi on an R32 RB20DET with catback exhaust? The obvious way to go is the FMIC, but I want to avoid it if the general consensus it that I can. Thanks.

To GTRgeoff Thanks for the link - I'll chase it up. I've been in contact with the Motor Accident Commission and various legislative bodies dealing with motoring offences, application of laws regarding motoring offences, and the public attitude towards the police that survives as a result of this behaviour. The main point I stick to, and I believe is true, is that not one person on this forum would see a police officer driving next to them and feel safe. And that's a problem that has to be addressed by BOTH sides before any progress is made. Thanks.

Hmm, the only thing I have found so far is the Police Act 1892. However, that's pretty outdated, I think there would be SOMETHING new by now. Will have a look later on.

Dammit, you should have put in a bit more and got a GT4! Oh well, as long as you're happy.

To IOWNU: Hey, good to see another lawyer into skylines, which uni you going to, when you expecting to graduate? What you're saying is true, co-operation is the best way to get out of trouble. But sometimes you will stumble across a cowboy with an itchy ticket book finger, and no amount of co-operation will relieve the situation. And lots of these guys and gals are getting canaries 'left, right and center' without arguing the law - so what's the difference gonna be? I say, knowledge is power, and trust me, showing an officer you know the law can have its advantages!

To LO R33: I'm pretty sure you don't have to tell them anyone, because it's not part of your job or anything like that. They, on the other hand, have to tell you. I'm not sure where this all comes from (legislatively speaking), and will try to hunt it down. But I can't imagine, especially in the age we live in without surveillance being commonplace, that if you 'happened' to have your mobile set on voice record, or a video camera on record, they could not do anything about it. And if they told you to turn it off and you refused, you would have that on tape! Getting sticky here, so leave it with me and I'll find out.

If you build it, they will come! I can't believe how quickly this post has taken off! How come no-one thought of this before?!?

Yeah, I wouldn't mind knowing whats going on... sounds like someone needs a hug!

You're exactly right, which is why I don't want people to use this thread to get cocky. I want them to use this thread to avoid the sorts of things people are writing in about. Most of these motorists get defected in any event, I'm not trying to prevent that - just make them prepared. This thread is only here to educate the motoring community about their rights and obligations... and maybe to put an end to the illegal and improper abuse of police power that seemingly happens all too often. In every interaction I've had with police, they've been more than decent. And from experience, if you're nice to police, they'll be nice in return. That said, and I'll say it again, knowledge is power.

To benm: Yeah, you are right. When lawyers are not around, many police officers abuse their powers like nobody's business. You were entitled to get their names and badge numbers, and could have refused to co-operate any further until this request was met. If they arrested you for failing to co-operate, it would have been all in vain- they failed to follow proper police procedure, and any offences committed from that point on will not hold up in court (as a rule). Last I checked, you are not even required to get out of your vehicle, if you do not want to. I think they can request you to show your hands, but you can just stick them out of the window. I have to get into this a lot more before I can come up with anything solid... I didn't think this thread would be so successful, it's wearing me out! They all abused their power, and deprived you of your rights. They would all be subject to disciplinary action and formal complaints filed against them - but like you said...

Thanks for your support Steve. Nah, nothing on hardcopy yet, but if we compile enough information, might have to make a series of books covering each State. A5 sized booklet so it can fit in the glove box Might have to make a wish-list of what each book should cover. All things going well, there'll be one of these in the glove box of every Skyline one day. I'll get onto WA today, see what I can dig up...

I dare say that's a great start, if not already most of the job done!!! We need to spread it around tho, make it known, try to arm ourselves with the best knowledge we can. Not to be smart asses, just to prevent anyone else from being smart asses.

I think if we keep this going we should be able to compile a handbook for each State... I'm sure other car forums and clubs would be interested in that!

Yeah, section 86L of the Police Regulation Act 1958 seems to outline the conditions under which a person can make a complaint. It's pretty long winded, so rather than re-type it, I've sent you the link: http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/vic/con...act/pra1958187/ Should be helpful - just scroll down til you get to '86L'

To croat: Yep, you're right, 10 points! It seems that under Part 3, Division 2 of the Road Transport (Safety and Traffic Management) Act 1999 , sections 44 - 47 outline the requirement for measuring a vehicle's speed, and there seems to be no provision for estimations. Give it a read if you can be bothered: http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/con.../rtatma1999412/ Cheers.

OK, well I'm not an expert on all of this, though it seems I might have to become one! This post is doing better than I thought it would. I'll look into it, maybe even contact some solicitors in NSW, and see what the word is. One way they get around things is to say they were doing 60km/h and you were pulling away, or something like that. Also, senior officers will attest to their years of experience and ability to estimate speeds, and judges normally aren't too eager to stop them. That said, I will get into the NSW legislation and procedure rulebook, and see if I can't nut anything out.

Thats true to a certain extent, but what you have to realize is, at the point where you ask for their names and badge numbers, they have to tell you. If they don't, they are not following proper police procedure, and as such, can face penalties and various disciplinary action. What's best to do in such a case where police refuse to give such information is record the licence plates on the police vehicle, and record the date and time. The station should be able to track down who was the officer you were talking to, although they may (understandably) be reluctant to give this information. But it does put them on notice that you're not to be taken lightly, and reminding them that they are obliged to do something and will face disciplinary action if they do not can strike the fear of God back into them

Glad to help - Knowledge is power. B)

To CEF11E: Yeah, police have whats known as 'discretionary power', which means it's basically up to them whether or not they decide to issue a fine, warning, or whatever. Judging by what you've told me, the fine, if any, would be for making 'unnecessary noise or smoke', which carries a fine of around $100 last time I checked. That said, they could try for something like 'dangerous driving', but it would be a pretty shallow charge, considering you really haven't done anything wrong as far as motoring offences go. As for your previous motoring history, you're right - they shouldn't determine whether or not to book you based on your driving record. The reason they wanted to check your driving history is to see if you often commit motoring offences, or if you're relatively clean. (And also to check if you're a mass-murderer wanted in several States ) Odds on, if your record is clean, they wouldn't issue a fine, but you never know if their quota is down. Again, these are not hard-and-fast rules, just opinion. I'll say this much, discretionary power is a *****.

To LO R33: "So - are cops allowed to book you ages after you do something wrong? Specially if its speeding, and secondly, can they guess speeds?" Yes, unfortunately he is, so long as it is a reasonable amount of time after. In this case, it would be. Sorry. They can also estimate speeds, and although you can put this up to question, an officer will normally be believed in the court unless there is something by which you can cast doubt. But 100 in a 60 is something that an officer would be able to judge. As I said earlier, this is not definite, but most probably the case. Sorry to ruin your day. Your only hope is that he was too slack to do the paperwork, or was just trying to incite the fear of God into you... Either way, there's no use stressing about it now. If it turns up, it turns up. If you receive a notice, feel free to mention something about its contents on here and I'll give it a browse.

Here we go... Common law is different again - it's more of a leftover from English law and something that acts as a backup where established law (e.g. Australian) doesn't seem to cut it. Bear in mind, I didn't want to write up an essay on Skylines forums about the law and how it works - best to state things in a way most people can understand. And as for your statement that I'm throwing two disparate concepts around, I'm actually juggling about a million different legal concepts and notions of justice, but that's why a law degree takes 6-odd years. However, you are right on the point that personal liberties (such as that to privacy) reside under common law, as they are not expressly outlined in the Constitution document itself. However, without the construction of the Constitution, there would be no activation of common law in this country. The design of the Constitution necessitated a reference to English law, as we were unable to cover everything in our own legal documents. This feature of our Constitution is evident in its design, as it relies on such operation to be effective. Lawyers are always precise in their choice of words, but (as anyone and everyone on this site can appreciate) do not want to bore an un-interested audience with long-winded legal concepts - this is a SKYLINES forum, after all! My point was to say that our right to privacy, as any of our fundamental rights, are basic liberties, all guarded by notions of democracy and freedom, and that these concepts are those which gave rise to the constitution of our country, and that as such, these concepts are protected therein. That said, if your battle is with regards to express wording in the Constitution, you win. ...and if the law was that easy, we'd all be lawyers...

Yep, looks good. What we basically need to do is find one of these for each State, and then somehow compile a short list of rules and rights for people in each State. I've never attempted something like this before, so bear with me. But remember, knowledge is power, and wouldn't it be nice to know your rights and entitlements next time you see a pair of flashing lights behind you...

As a more basic and general introduction to the law, here's a basic rundown of your expectations and obligations as a motorist: 1) You HAVE to tell the officer your name and address. 2) You HAVE the right to request a lawyer at any point where YOU feel you require one. 3) You can ask and WILL receive the officers name and badge number where you request it, in furtherance of making a formal complaint. 4) You do NOT have to get out of the car if you do not want to (pretty sure this is still the case). 5) If an officer asks you for anything or to do anything, you can ask if you are legally required to, or if you must volunteer. This is especially important where an officer asks if he might enter your premises or examine your vehicle. It doesn't hurt to ask... 6) As a general rule, officers need 'reasonable suspicion' to do most anything. They cannot start harassing you out of the blue, it has to arise as a result of something that precedes your being pulled over. 7) Once you ask for a lawyer, you're entitled to one. If your request is denied, anything that follows on from here is inadmissible in court, as an improper police procedure has been executed at that point. 8) If in doubt, ask if you are required to do what is being asked of you. And if the answer is 'yes', refer that to a lawyer skilled in civil and criminal procedures... The above is only a guide. Again, it is NOT gospel, and may have been repealed by laws enacted from the time of their inception. But it's better than nothing!

If it's in the condition it should be, $200. Provided it's legal too. Send pics to confirm condition, and the offer shall stand, provided it is what I imagine it should be.