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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-15/red-bull-and-ricciardo-await-verdict-after-appeal/5390198 compelling argument!

The rules allow other teams to be involved in proceedings. Merc said;

drivers are part of the team, you know... and drivers have been getting penalised for unsafe releases for ages.

Maldonardo got a 10sec stop-go penalty, 3 points penalty and 5 place grid penalty. 5 place grid penalty for causing a big acco has been standard for a few years. The unsafe release penalty is due to the FIA coming down hard on it after RBR's f**k up last year where a tyre hit a cameraman, and this penalty was written into the rules. It's the same for everyone, and they've really only got themselves to blame anyway, having caused the incident that prompted the crackdown in the first place! Maldonardo's crash wasn't terribly clever, but he's as fast as Grosjean. Not bad considering Kimi struggled to match Grosjean's pace in the latter part of last year.

ok, I'll admit it - Dan is a dangerous number 2! He very nearly ballsed it all up outbraking himself behind Kimi, locking it all up in a desperado up the inside... As the commentators said, good thing it was Kimi on the outside - the master of staying out of trouble. Otherwise it may well have ended as ingloriously as Maldonardo's little incident. But he's driving very well otherwise. I'm impressed and surprised.

that was a classic tyre climbing tyre flip. nothing to do with the nose.

That's only relevant for pre 1986 cars. "Late Model" (post 1986) vehicles in IPRA must have the restrictors regardless of what turbos they use: 17.2 Supercharging may only be used if fitted as standard equipment to the model concerned. All vehicles with supercharged engines must be fitted with a restricting orifice... Door trims must be "retained as original" under the 3J rules. 13.4 CARPET AND INTERIOR TRIM: Floor carpet and associated "underfelt", roof lining and interior trim down to the lower edge of the windows, and consoles on the transmission tunnel may be removed. All other padding, quilting and interior trim must be retained as original. It is permitted to reupholster components of interior trim.

seems pretty obvious to me. Cruising around in front at a pace you are comfortable with is going to use less fuel than if you have a guy pressuring you the whole race, forcing your pace.

f**k him. If he was faster, he wouldn't be behind! Besides, Bottas clearly demonstrated how likely he'd be to pass the McLaren - he couldn't pass Massa. He couldn't even really launch an attack. So Williams got the same number of points - no problems there. And the rest of the world got to enjoy the correct sporting outcome.

apparently not fast enough. good on ya Massa!

Your link doesn't support either assertion in that sentence... Fabrice Lom also says: (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/113140) Once again, that's why the sensors are individually calibrated against a standard bench meter and a correction offset applied, so all teams get the same mass flow and this situation does not exist.

THey were wheel to wheel until the line. I think Dan 'got out of it' like Brundle said.

yet all those other teams 'played by the rules'...

just shows how much sooner they could have got Q1 started.

they always seem to wait until the track's dry enough for inters. waste of time making wets and flying them all over the world.

Informative article on the subject http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2014/03/fuel-sensors-not-good-enough-for-f1-says-horner-as-fia-go-public-to-defend-themselves/

maybe you missed the part about them applying offsets to individual sensors make mass flow the same for everyone? RBR just want it to match their own data, not everyone else's flow meter. The other "teams have accepted that when they are alerted to the possibility the sensor could exceed the 100kg per hour rate at peak flow, irrespective of what their own data says, they have to peg back their rate slightly to ensure there is no breach of the rules." if it was really a case of a lottery of sensors deciding who is fast, every team would be up in arms about it. But I haven't seen any team support RBR's position. I've only heard teams speak out against RBR or for the FIA.

everyone was in the same boat. Other teams adjusted their fuel flow during the race according to what the FIA were seeing from the sensor. Some even chose to run well below the sensor indicated maximum flow to make sure they didn't exceed it. Only one car refused to play by the same rules and the same calibrated/corrected meter everyone was using. .

i haven't seen anyone say anything that specific. Doesn't really matter anyway - it would have been corrected back to the same flow as everyone else.

The sensor manufacturer says "52 per cent of its meters are with a 0.1 per cent accuracy reading, with 92 per cent within 0.25 per cent". As you say the offset is applied to level them out, so all cars can use the same mass fuel flow. "the teams have accepted that when they are alerted to the possibility the sensor could exceed the 100kg per hour rate at peak flow, irrespective of what their own data says, they have to peg back their rate slightly to ensure there is no breach of the rules." Well, every team except one that decided to ignore it and the FIA when fighting for position with a more powerful car... (quotes from http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/112973)

It's not unresolved. It's just that RBR didn't like the resolution. But RBR have been testing meters under FIA observation in the meantime, and have "acquired a number of new fuel flow sensors and will work with the FIA during the (Malaysian GP) weekend to find one that is accurate to the satisfaction of both sides." They're less likely to do it again this weekend because they have no real hope of keeping the Mercedes powered cars behind them on these long straights unless Renault has made big gains in their engine POWER spec - oops did I say power? I meant reliability - because those are the only changes allowed now, for improved reliability. yeah right... whereas in Aus it was worth the risk because it is a difficult track to pass on.

f**k. Like you said, NOONE in here is going to decide what the outcome is. Its pointless discussing it like this..... Just wait till the f**king race and then everyone will know

No other mention of fuel flow rates in the Technical Regulations.

For one thing it was him that said it - they were fighting for position with a more powerful opponent and they decided to ignore the mandated fuel flow meter. The language he uses is interesting too: They are not saying they can prove the sensor was wrong, just that they believe it was unreliable. You also have to wonder if he's playing silly buggers with the 100kg per hour limit. The rules only imply that is the maximum flow rate at any instant. The letter of the law says a maximum of 100kg per hour. In physics and engineering, "mass flow rate", the term used in the rules, is the mass of a substance which passes a given point per unit of time. The given unit of time in the rules is per hour. The SI unit is KG/sec. So if you only used 100kg of fuel over an hour's duration, despite exceeding that as a maximum flow rate at times, you could adamantly state you did not break the 100kg/hr limit according to your injectors and that the reading from the FIA sensor must therefore be erroneous and unreliable. He's not saying its wrong, and they never exceeded that flow rate at times of less than an hour's duration. He's saying the FIA sensor is erroneous in that it reports on an incorrect time unit - most likely the SI kg/sec rather than the rule's kg/hr. That's my opinion.

it is easy to make up shit about what is and isn't written on documents no-one except the teams and FIA. It seems highly unlikely Horner is telling the truth about the TD's stating they are not of regulatory value, considering the FIA Stewards' Findings. If the FIA disqualified them based on a document which explicitly states "holds no regulatory value", they are bigger arse-clowns than I believe possible. http://www.formula1blog.com/f1-news/fuel-sensor-debate-heats-up-in-hot-malaysia/ says it all - this is why they broke ranks and stopped using the sensor's (corrected) flow rate, that every other team was using. To gain a power advantage to stay ahead of the McLarens.