Collinsvale Hillclimb

[Funz]

Anyone else taking part in the Hillclimb?

[t01-100]

would love to run again, but no prgress on car... plus it doesn't have brakes, windscreen or a seat!

[grandmasterb]

Car not finished or tuned so im a no go.

[Funz]

would love to run again, but no prgress on car... plus it doesn't have brakes, windscreen or a seat!

dont need brakes thats what barriers are for , wear a full face helmet, stand up to drive!

[33drifter]

dont need brakes thats what barriers are for , wear a full face helmet, stand up to drive!

or sit on a milk crate

[t01-100]

very constructive guys, thanks guys!

[Trent04]

would be good to see....

[roaldin]

I'm entered but I doubt I'll make it. We'll see I guess.

Good luck to those running.

Tim.

[sly-hcr32]

would love to have a crack at this, maybe next time tho.

what do u need to have/do to enter?

think id have to raise the ol' girl up a inch or two and watch for the bumps too....

[sav man]

I think i'll be to pov to make it down

[Funz]

pretty sure all you need to enter is Helmet, Fire extinguisher, battery sticker and passing general road worthy check i believe :-)

Can't wait for this, interesting to see how kermit holds up lol.

[guesty]

I'll have a crack at it if somebody is willing to lend me their car :-)

[roaldin]

I might make it after all.

Doing some testing later today, if all ok I'll probably run.

Brakes - check,

Windscreen - check,

Seat - check,

All good so far...

Tim.

Edited March 12, 2008 by roaldin

[gfro]

yep, thought i'd leave the skyline at home and repair the fiat for this one and for about the 4th hillclimb in a row now i've failed to get off my arse and fix the fiat, and then left it to late to enter the r32. ahhh its been 2 years now since i've run a hillclimb.

good luck to those competing and i reckon i'll come watch for a bit!

[roaldin]

yep, thought i'd leave the skyline at home and repair the fiat for this one and for about the 4th hillclimb in a row now i've failed to get off my arse and fix the fiat, and then left it to late to enter the r32. ahhh its been 2 years now since i've run a hillclimb.

good luck to those competing and i reckon i'll come watch for a bit!

You might still get in, or was it you in at Fogarty's today?

My car tested ok today so it looks good for Sunday, if I can get some new harnessses in it tomorrow that is - damn 5 year age limit...

Stuffed if I'm going to run with the lap-sash...

I haven't driven anything quick for a year so I'm quite pleased I could still drive it. I might change my name to Rusty though.

Tim.

[grandmasterb]

You might still get in, or was it you in at Fogarty's today?

My car tested ok today so it looks good for Sunday, if I can get some new harnessses in it tomorrow that is - damn 5 year age limit...

Stuffed if I'm going to run with the lap-sash...

I haven't driven anything quick for a year so I'm quite pleased I could still drive it. I might change my name to Rusty though.

Tim.

Glad to hear the wrx will be back in action Tim, its been too long and wasn't the same last year without you there.

Now to see if you can steal back the lap record being held by the mighty clubman

Oh and it must be tough driving the "slow" old GT40

[roaldin]

Glad to hear the wrx will be back in action Tim, its been too long and wasn't the same last year without you there.

Now to see if you can steal back the lap record being held by the mighty clubman

Oh and it must be tough driving the "slow" old GT40

That was the Domain not Collinsvale GMB.

Some explanation seems necessary:-

The domain runs are not comparable. Everyone ran quicker at the domain last year because of several reasons. If you want to have a look at comparative times then check out cars and drivers that would be consistent year to year, like Damien Moore for instance (he ran the blue escort last time and the previous time). 44.13 versus 39.95. Did he gain over 4 seconds? I don't think so. Deane Hayes pretty much matched my previous years time in a standard Golf, is that possible? I doubt it. Maybe we should ask him... There are other examples there as well if you'd care to look. I'll explain the main differences in a sec'.

I ran Collinsvale last year and was fastest. Same thing happened there though. Everyone was quite a lot faster than the previous year.

One of the main factors for both event's big jumps in times was the change to "electronic" timing. The beam is placed about a metre ahead of the car so the car is already moving pretty well by the time it hits the beam - a run up if you like. The old system was "countdown and go" at Collinsvale while the one time I ran at the domain there was a red light start system that a lot of people were penalised for jump starts with.

The start-line advantage with the electronic system is variable depending on the traction levels of the various cars. An AWD gets the least advantage because it spends less time spinning it's wheels at the start, RWD is next while FWD has the biggest advantage - Imagine a front wheel drive, it could sit and spin it's tyres for a few seconds but not break the beam, by the time it breaks it it's off and running.

The effect is that everyone gets faster times, some more than others, simply because of a silly timing setup.

I have been against the beam system from the start as it IMO does not reflect reality, in fact it, IMO, encourages cheating (I am not accusing anybody of anything here, just stating the obvious) - The further back from the beam you can line up your car, the faster you'll be going when you break the beam. Stupid IMO. An alternative is to line up the car with a mark for the tyre on the road, but then a car with a short nose has an advantage over a car with a long nose... Not as big a deal but still silly IMO.

The only way to make the new system work is to have all the cars nudging the beam, therefore no run-up. This would unfortunately mean timing errors though because some cars could inadvertently break the beam before they actually started.

My preference by far would be to get rid of the beam altogether and go back to something like the light system - sorted out though. It was not setup very well when I ran the Domain. A beam at the finish would be fine.

The light system (electronic) would be ok if setup well and if the finish was a beam. When I ran the domain there was no electronic finish, just a stopwatch with a call over radio from the start.

There were a few other big differences at the domain between the time I ran and the time after, the chicane for one. As I said before, the best evidence is found by looking at consistent performers through the years. Some variation is inevitable but if you think 4 seconds is feasible without drastic change (excluding first-time drivers) then you don't understand racing.

I think CMI do a great job but their timing system really needs to be sorted out and should also be used the same way for each event.

This isn't meant to be derogatory to the Clubman. It's just a statement of explanation as to why there is such variability in the timing.

The Clubman won on the day, I didn't enter, you gotta be in it to win it. He did a great job!

Neither is it meant to be derogatory to CMI, they do a great job where no-one else is even trying. Just sort out the timing, please... (and make the track consistent as well if at all possible)

Anyway, good luck to all entrants!

Tim.

Edited March 14, 2008 by roaldin

[grandmasterb]

That was the Domain not Collinsvale GMB.

Some explanation seems necessary:-

The domain runs are not comparable. Everyone ran quicker at the domain last year because of several reasons. If you want to have a look at comparative times then check out cars and drivers that would be consistent year to year, like Damien Moore for instance (he ran the blue escort last time and the previous time). 44.13 versus 39.95. Did he gain over 4 seconds? I don't think so. Deane Hayes pretty much matched my previous years time in a standard Golf, is that possible? I doubt it. Maybe we should ask him... There are other examples there as well if you'd care to look. I'll explain the main differences in a sec'.

I ran Collinsvale last year and was fastest. Same thing happened there though. Everyone was quite a lot faster than the previous year.

One of the main factors for both event's big jumps in times was the change to "electronic" timing. The beam is placed about a metre ahead of the car so the car is already moving pretty well by the time it hits the beam - a run up if you like. The old system was "countdown and go" at Collinsvale while the one time I ran at the domain there was a red light start system that a lot of people were penalised for jump starts with.

The start-line advantage with the electronic system is variable depending on the traction levels of the various cars. An AWD gets the least advantage because it spends less time spinning it's wheels at the start, RWD is next while FWD has the biggest advantage - Imagine a front wheel drive, it could sit and spin it's tyres for a few seconds but not break the beam, by the time it breaks it it's off and running.

The effect is that everyone gets faster times, some more than others, simply because of a silly timing setup.

I have been against the beam system from the start as it IMO does not reflect reality, in fact it, IMO, encourages cheating (I am not accusing anybody of anything here, just stating the obvious) - The further back from the beam you can line up your car, the faster you'll be going when you break the beam. Stupid IMO. An alternative is to line up the car with a mark for the tyre on the road, but then a car with a short nose has an advantage over a car with a long nose... Not as big a deal but still silly IMO.

The only way to make the new system work is to have all the cars nudging the beam, therefore no run-up. This would unfortunately mean timing errors though because some cars could inadvertently break the beam before they actually started.

My preference by far would be to get rid of the beam altogether and go back to something like the light system - sorted out though. It was not setup very well when I ran the Domain. A beam at the finish would be fine.

The light system (electronic) would be ok if setup well and if the finish was a beam. When I ran the domain there was no electronic finish, just a stopwatch with a call over radio from the start.

There were a few other big differences at the domain between the time I ran and the time after, the chicane for one. As I said before, the best evidence is found by looking at consistent performers through the years. Some variation is inevitable but if you think 4 seconds is feasible without drastic change (excluding first-time drivers) then you don't understand racing.

I think CMI do a great job but their timing system really needs to be sorted out and should also be used the same way for each event.

This isn't meant to be derogatory to the Clubman. It's just a statement of explanation as to why there is such variability in the timing.

The Clubman won on the day, I didn't enter, you gotta be in it to win it. He did a great job!

Neither is it meant to be derogatory to CMI, they do a great job where no-one else is even trying. Just sort out the timing, please... (and make the track consistent as well if at all possible)

Anyway, good luck to all entrants!

Tim.

im glad a got a beer out of the fridge before reading that as it took a while.

No explanation necessary at all, your not the first one to mention the irregularities with the timing equipment but i guess thats one thing you have to contend with when an event like this is running year to year. All in all its a bit of fun and i dont think too many people get hung up on times (if they do then so be it) its the person that had the most fun and enjoyed themselves that are the winners IMHO.

Be good to see you run again, hopefully this time no mechanical issues

Having said that i wish all the competitors good luck and just hope to hell this weather doesn't stick around for Sunday, man i hate the wind

Cheers Ben

[roaldin]

For me the importance is that times are all I'm in it for. I compete against myself. Times are the only way to measure that.

Same thing at the race track. I am not really driven to compete against others, just to better my times.

It's going to be interesting this time, I really stuffed my tyres yesterday... Stupid really...

Tim.

[roaldin]

Broke something in the selectors in the gearbox. Engine dumped coolant so may have blown a head gasket as well.

1st run couldn't get 3rd after top corner but got it back on the cool down, 2nd run couldn't get 3rd or 4th up the hill but got them back near the top only to lose them all on the cool down...

Tim.