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i got burnt pretty bad on a stock ECU retune by the only place in SA that retunes stock ECU's. paid 600 for it, now the car runs lean on hot days, uses more fuel, has no mid range punch anymore and has less power up top.

pretty pissed off and they dont believe me when i tell em its rooted. so i got no where and have a car that slow and expensive to run.

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well shaun at boost worx will do safc tune for 145. He is a good tuner so that is a thought.

Mike Cash, i know what u are talkin about, and sense i will ahve the same trouble trying to get my money back. If it comes to it i will use the law... Consumer affairs may want to know about this. maybe u should type up a letter from ur lawyer saying u will take them to court. Most people pay up then.

I know how u feel when u spend all the money u save up, and now think that its turned to absolute shit.

If you wanted to go to consumer affairs, or min of fair trading, first you need to get a statement from another shop to say what they would have charged for the work, also, if you didnt get a quote to begin with, you will have nothing.

Unless you have a contract, or quote/estimate, you're pushing shit up hill unfortuneately.

I vote for Shaun at Boostworx too, I am v.happy with his tune and his service, and god knows, I have had alot of different places in Adeliade tune my car:p

So, T-man, are you getting Hiep's SAFC? also, we had a very special sausage for you on the dyno day, just ask Cheeky:)

Well back on topic, im off to the tuners tomorrow again to see if they can fix the problem, if they cant, ill be demanding my money back. Simple as that.

Do u guys think i should take out the spark plugs they put in and give them back so they dont charge me the extra 100? I have a set of Ngks at home doing nuthin.

Hey Bob ;) I'm getting a message from beyond the grave (Crossing Over style :P ) I have a strange feeling that the plugs you run are... NGK copper "V-Power 8" (R5671A-8) Would I be right?

I'd say they are the ones I quoted mate.

I dropped into Tilbrooks late yesterday arvo just to see if Mark maybe had some NGK BRK7EVX's (plugs I usually run - I highly recommend these) as I could only track down 3 in the whole of Adelaide (not an off the shelf plug). He gave me a set of the copper V-Power 8's and said to give them a go, as he uses them in lots of powerful RB's with good results. Even John's motor runs them.

How do you find them on cold mornings? Idle quality? Any fouling due to low initial tip temp?

heheh, well thanks for hijackin my threard everyone

back on topic, matt, u r rite, my afm is maxed out, reads 5.05v from 5500rpm to redline.

what to do...

Of course I'm right! I'm always right :P But seriously... it's a good question mate, what to do indeed!? Have a chat with Nightcrawler (Andy) as he is planning on doing the exact same thing you need... Z32 with Unichip/stock ECU. If it can be done, and who knows? Maybe it can then your laughing. I couldn't be stuffed going down that path, plus Tim (ex RPM owner/boss/tuning guru) gave me an excellent plan B.

I run NGK BKR7E (V-Power), altho they are 1 step hotter than the ones you have, they have not fouled up at all in the last 10,000ks and cold starts are perfect etc. So I would assume the 8s should be ok in most cases.

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