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The car looks great. Out on the road it will definately have alot of presence. As for the engine, the 6Ltr is overall a better engine, in everyway. BTW the 5.7 can pass emissions regulations quite easily. 5.7ltr Holdens bound for the UK passes the test with just a tune.

VE Commodore secrets revealed The Sydney Morning Herald Friday April 7 2006 Holden’s Australian icon, the Commodore, will have more foreign parts to keep prices down and European styling flair to broaden its appeal. But will that be enough to entice buyers away from imported cars, asks JOSHUA DOWLING. Australia's favourite car - the Holden Commodore - faces its toughest challenge ever when the all-new model goes on sale in August. The Commodore may have been the biggest-selling car for the past decade but its sales are at a 12-year low. The rising cost of petrol has recently been getting the blame - and the headlines - but it is merely one factor. Over the past 10 years Australians have been falling out of love with the big Aussie sedan and developed more exotic tastes. Imported vehicles have become more affordable thanks to a dramatic reduction in import tariffs and, more recently, a stronger Aussie dollar. Ten years ago, imported vehicles accounted for half of all new vehicles sold. Today, they make up more than 70 per cent of new-car sales. A decade ago, imported passenger cars attracted a 25 per cent tariff. Today it is just 10 per cent - and the Federal Government is looking to drop the import tariff on passenger cars to 5 per cent in 2010, in line with the tariff on recreational vehicles. With this in mind, the next-generation Commodore will have to be a lean machine cheaper to build and free of any excess cost if it is to survive among the hordes of imports. It also explains why the next Commodore will be the most multicultural model Holden has ever produced, with more foreign parts than before. Will buyers be able to notice where Holden has cut costs - and corners? With previous Commodores, Holden boasted about the local content of its cars. Now it refuses to divulge details. Taillights from Korea, fuel injectors from China, wheels made in Thailand, body-moulding tools made in Japan. And that's just a taste. "We don't discuss that level of detail," is the stern response from Holden's spokesman Jason Laird. "We don't discuss local content." When pressed, Laird says: "The new car needs to be competitive with every global brand for it to be successful in Australia. What's important is [the Commodore] continues to be Australia's best-selling car and continues to be a major part of the Australian car industry. "We have the jobs of our Holden staff to consider and the jobs of the supplier industry to consider. Suppliers need to be globally competitive just as we need to be. That means new technology, new innovation and new ways to do business." But Holden has switched from some local suppliers in favour of foreign suppliers who are cheaper. Holden does not apologise for this. "This car has to be able to handle the best that Europe and Japan can throw at it. Australia is one of the most competitive car markets in the world," Laird says. While some local suppliers have been dropped, Holden says it's worth noting that some new suppliers have set up in Australia and created jobs, although Laird is not specific. "The [next Commodore] has to be competitive. If it's not competitive then that puts the whole system at risk." Could this be the last Australian-made Commodore? Laird is almost furious at the suggestion. "We have no plan other than to have Australia's best-selling car," he says. "For the past three years we've invested $1.8 billion on local operations. Find another company that's done that. Find another project worth that. We've spent the equivalent of four Olympic stadiums in the space of three years. We're not going to sit here and justify our existence when the numbers clearly show we mean business. We've made an enormous investment in the future of the company." Holden believes buyers are looking for an excuse to come back to the Commodore. We'll know soon enough. As engineers put the finishing touches on the most important Commodore ever made, fleet managers were shown the vehicle at a special preview in Sydney this week. Based on information we've gathered from fleet managers who've seen the car and other industry contacts, we've learned that the VE (the new Commodore's model code) is the most radically different Commodore in the 26-year history of the nameplate. Holden has designed, engineered and developed the car from scratch. Every model Commodore - from the VB launched in 1978 to the VT of 1997 - started life as a European Opel sedan that was heavily reworked to become an Australian Commodore. Since General Motors' European division Opel killed off its large rear-drive sedan (it was originally called the Commodore, then the Senator and then the Omega) three years ago, Holden has been faced with the proposition of developing the car itself. The Australian outpost of GM is not completely alone, of course, with significant assistance coming from GM engineers around the world and, in particular, the United States (some Holden insiders say there is a little too much input from GM representatives from the US). The US involvement in the VE largely stems from the fact that the next generation of Commodore derivatives are expected to be assembled in North America, as well as Elizabeth in South Australia. The Statesman could be built and sold in the US as a Buick, which is why the VE has had some significant changes under the skin. For example, to accommodate US requirements the fuel tank has been moved from under the boot to under the rear seat, among other modifications that enable the VE to meet international regulations. As part of the grand plan of GM's global product chief, Bob Lutz (he's the bloke who did the deal to sell the Monaro to the Yanks as a Pontiac GTO) Holden is now the centre of excellence for GM's global low-cost rear-drive vehicles. In other words, other than Cadillac and Corvette, Holden is the rear-drive expert for the rest of the GM world. The next Commodore will have roughly the same size interior as the current model but its exterior dimensions are said to have grown by about 15cm to accommodate new safety equipment (such as "curtain" airbags) and more stringent side impact regulations. As these computer-generated images show, the bulging wheel arches and starchly creased waistline give the VE an upmarket Audi feel. The front wheels have been pushed forward for better road-holding. To help fill the massive wheel arches the fleet-pack Executive's standard wheel size has grown from 15-inches to 16-inches and the SS is expected to get 19-inch wheels as standard. Expect to see the base car powered by just one version of the 3.6-litre V6 - the high output version - with power said to be up from 190kW (as used in the SV6 and Calais) to 200kW. For the 6.0-litre V8, Holden is said to have found another 5kW (bringing it up to 265kW), although it's worth pointing out that the new number is what the engine was quoted in all US documentation as having in the first place. Perhaps Holden deliberately under-called the power of the 6.0-litre fitted to the VZ so that it appeared there was a power gain with the all-new model. It is not yet clear whether the 6.0-litre's fuel-saving technology - displacement on demand - will be available from day one on V8-powered VE models. Holden, as with most makers, doesn't play all its cards at once at new-model time, so displacement on demand (which shuts down up to four cylinders under light loads or when cruising downhill) may be held up Holden's sleeve until Series II time, about a year after launch. Unfortunately, such fuel-saving technology can't come soon enough for Holden as the VE is said to have piled on the kilos - up by 130kg-140kg more than the VZ - which, if true, would put it on par and perhaps even heavier than its arch rival, the Ford Falcon. Weight is such an issue for the VE that, in addition to a standard five-speed automatic gearbox on V6 models, the V8s are expected to get a six-speed auto as standard - both with taller ratios to help open-road fuel economy. The Holden V8's six-speed auto is said to be GM-made while the sporty HSV is said to be getting the world-class, German-made ZF six-speed auto (the same one used in the latest performance Falcons). Brakes have also come under scrutiny. To help cope with the VE's extra weight, V8 model Commodores will get 330mm front discs, which are bigger than the premium front discs recently fitted to the VZ 6.0-litre range. The V6 models are expected to get the brakes that Holden has just fitted to the SS and other 6.0-litre VZ models, while the larger vented rear discs on those models will become standard fare on the rear of the entire VE range. HSV is said to be fitting six-piston AP Racing calipers as standard across its VE range but with larger diameter discs than currently on the VZ. Both Holden and HSV have opted for the biggest brakes possible because it is difficult to tamper with the brakes (such as fitting larger calipers or discs) when the car is equipped with an electronic stability program (ESP). Most VE models are expected to have ESP as standard, given that the technology has been largely attributed to reducing the number of crashes and saving lives since it became widely available on new cars sold in Europe. An ESP system detects if the car is going too fast in a corner or in slippery conditions and cuts engine power and applies the brakes accordingly. ESP came into the spotlight recently when Holden's head of safety, Laurie Sparke, was caught off-guard when asked by the ABC's 7.30 Report why ESP wasn't an option on the base model Commodore. He didn't have an answer. It may be too late for ESP to be added to the base model VE with just four months to go before launch but if it is available on a VE Executive, we can probably thank those few moments of publicly funded television. Other than safety items such as ESP and curtain airbags, equipment levels are expected to remain the same as the VZ for each model (apparently buyers will initially be lured by the all-new body shape). In a last-minute cost-cutting attempt consideration was given to taking some equipment out of the cars. But the former head of sales and marketing, Ross McKenzie, apparently put a stop to that and said at a board meeting: "I don't care how you save the money but you're not taking a single feature out of the car." Which is why there will be more foreign parts in the Commodore than ever before. "There's no point building the world's best car if no-one buys it," says one Holden insider. "How many people would pay $40,000 for an Executive? Exactly." That said, prices across the VE range are expected to increase by between 1 and 3 per cent. Holden creeps up the price with every model change, so a full model change will most certainly lead to a price rise. Holden needs to recoup its significant investment cost, said to be close to $1 billion - the biggest investment on a Commodore. The VE was, at one point, supposed to be on sale in February-March this year. The former boss of Holden, Peter Hanenberger, brought the VE program forward six months because he was worried about the impact the heavily revised Falcon would have on VZ sales. (It would have proven to be a prudent move, as the VZ is struggling, with sales nearly 20 per cent below what they were a year ago.) But Holden engineers struggled to meet this deadline, especially now that every major decision must be approved by the high-ups at GM in the US. So, the new American boss of Holden, Denny Mooney, pushed the VE back to its original release date of August-September 2006. Holden engineers have used every extra minute they've been given, with the VE undergoing several changes in the last 12 months of its gestation. In addition to one last attempt at weight-saving, Holden has worked on improving quality in every department, from interior plastics to exterior panel fit. The VE is said to have world-class panel gaps, after Denny Mooney took a trip to Japan to visit the company that makes most of the tooling used to assemble the VE. Holden knows that the VE must be a car that will delight the senses, which is why there will be a strong emphasis on design, quality and European feel. The only problem is: the bigger, heavier and (likely) thirstier Commodore will arrive in a market that has turned its back on big Aussie sedans, the meat-and-three-veg of the automotive world. Given that our palates have changed, the new Commodore will need something more than special sauce. From http://www.drive.com.au/editorial/article....vf=7&bg=24&pp=0

With that type of launch I wouldnt mind lining them up .......Aust jurnos are idiots. V8 turbo = no Tornado can catch I wouldnt mind seeing the torque curve on those two. One thing going against the V8 is its a heavier beast.

True, im guessing life would be very bleak, especially if the guy was an active person in his prior life. Like R33S2 I also believe that this project might be the only thing keeping him sane. A lot of people here are passing judgement without knowing the guys circumstances and wealth. For all we know he could be a millionaire with compensation. As for the choice of engine, I think that he could have spent his money more wisely. A genIII with twin snails could achieve that level of power reliably for less than $20k. Even the race bread LS7 (7L ZO6) engine with 500hp stock could achieve 1000hp reliably for a fraction of the cost.

I’ve encountered a lot of very bad and reckless import drivers, far more than commodore/ford drivers. Go to George St in Sydney on Fridays and Saturday night and you would know what I mean. Lots of dof dof, bling bling, loud exhaust, BOVs, guys hagging out the window, red light racing, and reckless driving. Its no wonder our insurance are so high. Trawling through the main Ford and Holden forum, it seems that many of its members are more mature (not comparing to this forum) compared with some import forums. It also seems that there are some very fast rides, especially the turbo and twin turbo V8s. These topics with commo drivers = bogans and holdens/fords = slow is really getting tiresome and in most instances untrue. FYI I drive both an import and a commodore and know the pros and cons of both.

If you really want a GTR then its always best to buy a modded one..................buying stock is too much hassle and definately more expensive!!!!!!!!

Best way to get 400rwkw reliably is buying yourself a old school (cheap and light) car, putting the Holden LS2 V8 + trans (for 8K) and and putting in the APS twin turbo kit for around 10-13K (fitted and tuned). Best thing with this is its all noise and emission legal so no hassle from the boys in blue. Another good thing is that engine internals are all stock so you still have plenty of room to move with increased boost (past 9psi), increase displacement and mods to engine.

The above output is from the NA version.......the engine looks like this Theres a more powerful version with a huge supercharger...............that monster is this and the car that it goes into is very light and nimble I would definately say that this is the fastest road car!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ill get the 1) Corvette "Blue Devil" More than 600hp from the 427 engine 2) Holden/Elfin Clubman MS8 With a detuned Holden V8 engine all in a small package (925kg) 3) Holden/Elfin Streamliner MS8 Just imagine the Streamliner/Clubman with the current LS2 engine, or better yet with the corvette engine. Oh yeah 600+hp in a 925kg car.

Its a mule for the american market.

Again from Peter

Theres alot of potential in both LS1 and LS2. Some guys are already running with a TT setup. This vid shows how much fun can be had with a twin turbo V8 running on 6.5ps1. Peter from APS informs that BTW the cars running on stock internals. Very sleek and is an ultimate sleeper. http://www.airpowersystems.com.au/ls1/ls2/aps_gto.wmv (Warning Vid is 30MB)

300zx are great cars, has a very tight engine bay but all the usual stuff are still there. Best thing to do is go to a trusted mechanic that knows what hes doing. Also remember that preventative measures are your friend. Replace wiring loom and perform your 100K service, never trust <100K imports, anyway age also plays a part and the 300 is one old bugger.

Standard holdens are let down by their engine management and trans (especially auto). This should be rectified with the release of the VE next year, with its 6 speed auto. For the ultimate performance machine (using holden engines) look no further than the elfin twins clubmen and streamliner. Both were designed by mike simcoe (ex holden now GM NA designer) and the guys from Elfin. Ive also heard some guy running around in a coupe 4 (4WD) with LS2 T. This would definately give the GTR a run for its money. Cheers

Before everyone jumps on me (hopefully not) let me just say that I love aussie products and imports. I also have a VT with 250K (?) on the clock with no major issues apart from the normal wear and tear, and a 300zx TT. Ill go back under my rock now before I get flamed :).

Hi guys both cars have their good and bad points. Both can also be very very fast. Skylines were not the cheapest cars when released. Finally many commies are your garden variety V6 or low powered V8, slap on a turbo or two to make it fair and they will definately challenge any imports. Those with high powered Holdens ive noticed usually dont bother driving their cars hard (with a few exceptions), this is typical with any car enthusiasts, especially one with expensive cars. The LS1 and LS2 are regarded as one of the best engines in america, highly modable, reliable and cheap. Larger versions have been used in several cars (mainly vettes, camaro and TA's), and have proven itself in races. The LS* engines are also very effective and in some areas are quite advanced (DOD, LPG, even an LPG turbo). This particular TT LS2 (6.0L) is made by APS here in aust. Their inteded market however is America. A 200WHP increase from a stock engine @ 6psi is amazing. http://www.airpowersystems.com.au/ls1/ls2/aps_gto.wmv

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