scratch that, dug a little deaper and found their 10 page oil thread. Thay have not really come to a proper conclusion, nor have they made any mention on the new 2.5ltrs. I wonder if it is the same engine as the forester, except with a TD04? Might call the service centre and have a chat with them. Thanks for your help Birds, BASHO, siksII and central coast person lol.