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What did they replace the standard Bridgestone or Dunlops with when they brought it in? There is no GT-R model without full leather. Where is there non leather in your car?

Or even post your G force polar plot please.

There were 19" Michelin slicks 29/67-19s on the Donut King GT-R at Bathurst this year. http://cms.porsche-clubs.com/PorscheClubs/...le/PSC_2009.pdf http://www.ps-sport.ig.pl/michelin-sport-tyres/cennik2.htm http://www.horag.com/products/michelin/michelin_course.html

+1 on the brake water spray progress.. And not to cast aspersions on you and Keir's driving skills Martin, but you have to remember it was "Thee Mark Skaife" driving that R32. We need to compare apples with apples here. What additional time would him or some other professional driver well on his game be able to extract out of your R35?

Thats amazing guys! Congrats.

What sucks is that I'll can't relive that awesome first night with my new girl Congrats, you will not tire of it.......

Well if thats the case I'm very impressed and Adelaide's tyre retailers need to pull their heads out of their........ Hope they deliver for not much more than Syd/Bris.

What were the AWKW numbers on the E85 Martin? Also great article Graeme! Fantastic to see all your cars.

What can I say...I was bored

+1. I don't think Mark so much took offence at the meanderings of the thread but really at the advice Martin was offering to him. What I don't get is that Martin is an experienced tuner offering free advice on this forum when he doesn't have to. Yes of course he gets business from it but why shouldn't he? Not that I imagine he was anticipating Mark driving his GT2 over to Adelaide to be tuned by him either. Everything single thing Martin said was true: 1. A canned tune by an "experienced" tuner is never going to be as good as a custom tune by a less experienced tuner without reducing the safety margins built in by the factory. Otherwise Porsche would have provided the same tune in the first place. Id rather a less experienced tuner tuning a car sitting in front of him than the most experienced tuner tuning something he cannot see/touch/verify. Tuning is very much all about sneaking up on an optimum figure. How many iterations did MGS's tuner go through in getting the tune right? None!!! They didn't even ask for him to send back data logs/dyno results. To me it's unfathomable that you can fly blind like this on such an precious vehicle especially when simply changing the exhaust on a car can send it's boost curve up the creek in an instant. I think Mark has been swayed or even hoodwinked by talk about people's "experience" with tuning the GT2 claiming that no-one here has done it. Ultimately it's still just a motor that can be tuned like any other. It's not alien technology. All the "experience" provides is perhaps that the tuner can get quickly get closer to the optimum tune faster because he's been there before and knows what he can dial in safely as a starting point. Ultimately the final tune is arrived at by trial and error whilst monitoring the motor's response to input changes. RS don't have a monopoly on this skill especially when they don't even want to use it... 2. Lack of effort on the tuner's behalf in minimising the inconvenience to the owner by allowing him to read the ECU in Australia and email the data file over to Germany to be tweaked to me reeks of arrogance and "couldn't be stuffed" attitude. They'd rather MGS was off the road for many weeks than just getting off their bums and communicating a simple way to get this done without removing and posting the ECU. 3. The fact they couldn't get the first tune right with the ECU in their actual possession casts massive doubt on their competence and/or care factor for this car sitting out of sight around the other side of the world. 4. And what appeared to be the straw that broke the camels back was the most salient point Martin could have raised. And that is at least verifying that the tune hasn't pushed the engine beyond any limits in AFR, knock/timing and boost. I've tuned many of my Subaru's myself and boost overshoots and ramps are so very dependent on the unique attributes of each engine and if the tuner pushed the boost ramp rates in the tune there's a very major risk that this car could very easily suffer boost spikes that a simple dyno run or logged run on the road will verify very quickly. I'd like a free service where I could do a tune myself or get a canned tune and then publish my results on here to be critically examined by an experienced tuner so I could perhaps go back and rectify a few issues/problems! It appears to be more than the German tuner was offering yet MGS took offence from it. 5. A remote tune without the ability to revert to standard when you take the car in for a service is immediately voiding your engine warranty when Porsche see its been reflashed. Hmmm whats the GT2 engine worth? $100K? Whats another ECU worth for hiding this mod? My minimum requirement would have been for me to be able to go down to my local tuner and get him to revert the ECU to standard when I took my car in for service/warranty work. My true preference would have been for me to do it using my accessport in my garage the day I drove it down to Nissan And what's with that exhaust system!!! At least Willall's midpipes/exhausts are made on a jig and fit first time every time! Seriously how hard can it be to get it right especially when you KNOW you're shipping this piece of kit overseas to be fitted to a piece of perfection such as the GT2? I think one thing this thread has demonstrated is that these elite euro tuning houses/parts suppliers aren't necessarily better than what we're used to here in Australia. All in all it's not the approach I would have taken with my car that's for sure. Others might disagree but what MGS went through would have left a bad taste in my mouth and I didn't detect too much of "I told you so" from anyone on this forum when they could have had a field day...

Sorry to be seen to be pedantic but if you type in the phrase box "r35 skyline" you get about 12,000 images. So yes there are "many" images with "r35 skyline" in the title. If you type in 2009 GTR you get a million hits That means just 1% of images are incorrectly labelled "R35 skyline" out of all R35 GTR images available on the net...... So really in the marketing world that would be deemed a massive fail if you wanted everyone to call the new GTR an R35 skyline.... And the reason its on this forum is because the subgroup was started when it was still a concept car and the name had yet to be released. Most people thought of it as the new skyline then. Now the majority don't. And in the biggest market, the US, they say sky.....what???

Actually google images skyline without the R35 and you get surprisingly few R35s popping up!!! Id say its about 1 in 15. You get the concepts appearing which were released before the name was confirmed as just GT-R. Maybe the general population is surprising me with their knowledge here

EXACTLY! God I miss my STi in these kind of events. You hit the handbrake in the GT-R and I think diff releases to allow rears to lock and then when u go to power on again it take what feels like an eternity for the electronics to allow the throttles to open again.

Yeah right, compare a happy snap of a GT-R at a motor show taken from above to a full on studio shot of the Porker with fancy lighting and wide angle lens taken by a midget!! Agreed theres beauty in function and thats why Porsches are so appealing to people who truly understand cars. However their real beauty lies beneath their skin. The raised emotion that their mechanical perfection causes in people tends to taint their view of what the cars actually look like. Honestly if another car maker such as Audi rocked up with something styled like the current 911 when they released the R8 they would have been laughed out of said motor show. Porsches styling is only truly loved by their enthusiasts. To all others they look stuff all different than what they did 20-30 years ago, especially with the "retro" look of the 997. They tried to change it with the 996 and the diehard enthusiasts cried foul. Ferraris, Astons and Maseratis etc are a completely different league to the German marque when it comes to styling revolution. Thank god for the ritual iconoclasts that exist in these other companies, (including Nissan). Imagine the time warp we'd be stuck in... I go cruising with my brother in his 997 911T and honest to god, the GT-R makes the Porsche fade into the background when they are parked or driving together. And I'm not talking about some subjective opinion from my biased and opinionated viewpoint . I'm talking about the car that gets the blowflies buzzing around it with camera phones in hand and windows winding down while the 911 whumps on in relative anonymity. We were at a random breath testing station with him stopped in front of me and 3 coppers including the one who tested him made a beeline for me as soon as he'd finished blowing and kept me there for another 5 minutes just poring over the Jap car. I don't know if its simply the physical presence of the GT-R being so much bigger than the 911 or it's relative newness/rarity/novelty but it definitely draws all the attention. What I generally hear from the average punter is that the 911 no matter how new is "just another Porsche". And forget expecting a non Porsche enthusiast to be able to distinguish the different variants of the 911. They sometimes cant even tell a Cayman from a 911 and these guys are into cars, just not really heavily into exotica. I'd be slightly peeved if my car was being mistaken for a 1990 R32 GTS because the average person couldn't distinguish it from the old one simply because Nissan for whatever dogmatic reasons couldn't be bothered coming up with something significantly and two decades fresher. What I truly love is that the typical non-car person hasnt got even the foggiest clue what the GT-R is! It definitely catches their eye though. They just know its something special....

Totally agree. Have had my R35 at Mallalla when the Porsche guys are there as I'm also member of their club and although there's rivalry as there is even between themselves it's definitely not bitter. They have a lot of respect for the Nissan and its capabilities especially noting its price compared with their cars. Lots of disbelieving shaking of heads when you tell them how "cheap" it is. Usually they're poking around underneath it looking for slicks! I know of a few PCSA members who have purchased R35s either in place of or in addition to their Porsches even though they don't advertise the fact openly in the club . It just comes down to brand loyalty. If you've owned and loved Porsches all your life just as if you are a Holden or Ford man you aren't easily going to jump ship just because your competition comes out with something better in the short term. You will grudgingly accept it and just hang out for the next "greatest thing" to appear from your stable to show the new upstart up. Some who have the means to buy the latest and greatest will just add the new wonder to their garage on top of all their other loves....

Shipping's about US$240 for a set. I don't have the "luxury" of Taleb here in SA yet I'd still find it hard to believe they'd get you a set for $2600. Maybe I'm wrong. It only makes sense to buy OS when you are looking at expensive tyres though.

All the more impressive time Martin! 12s will be a walk in the park on a good day....

Tyres you can get cheap direct from tire rack. ~$AU650 each landed dependent on exchange rate. Lots of good stuff available from Willall as well such as exhaust components. For things like Cobb accessport, brakes etc, check sites such as gtrmod, speedforsale, forged performance and courtesy nissan (US) for maintenance items like air cleaners, oil filters, cabin filters, sump bolts/washers/gaskets .

Looks like HKS are doing a 570 kit without the boost controller now but still providing the wastegate actuators as part of the kit. I can see the attraction of being able to change boost on the fly though. Fully understand your reasoning as to why you went for that kit when you did and considering what you have planned for the car. A good mid priced turbo pipe kit is in the US$1000-$2000 range and a mid pipe AUS$900 and the accessport US$995 plus whatever the dyno costs are for a custom tune so if thats the full extent of your engine mods then all up you'll probably be looking at around the high $3000 range for the mid to higher 300KW range. Add another US$700 for injectors if required.

Hey Martin, Roger, (next to you on the grid), mustve been off his game if you were 4 seconds quicker... Hes usually in the low 16s. Was he really going that slow today?

A couple other questions: Does the lower sidewall height on the lower profile non run flat compensate for the stiffer sidewall on the taller runflat? I'm just curious as to how this will affect the ride/handling. If you were too look at this 30r/35f profile combo instead of the 35r/40f you suddenly jump up from having a choice of about 4 road tyres, Bridgestone, Dunlop, Pirelli, Michelin to about 40 on the tire rack website. Does anyone know what rolling diameter difference front/rear the GT-R can handle? Going down this route for a daily driver gives me the ability to buy a 300 to 500 treadwear tyre for prices ranging from US$119 to US$250 compared with US$400 for the Dunlop and Potenza standard runflats. Also any thoughts on what your insurance company may say if you change to non run flats?

Has anyone looked into the Falken FK452s for the GT-R? They are 255/35 and 285/30 resulting in overall diameter of 680 and 687 mm. Apparently they won a recent wheels tyre test. They are lower profile than standard though. If theyre cheap and as good as they say they are then they may be a good option. You could also match up their 305/25 with their 255/30 fronts for an identical diameter of 661mm however I'm not sure this would really help the balance of the car.

Maybe guys like Martin could comment on this as well. The HKS 570 kit seems to have some unecessary bits in it. From what I've been able to see, the wastegate actuators and boost controller are not required with the latest Cobb accessport tunes. All it really has that would provide tangible value for money benefits are the midpipe and dump pipes. I'm not sure what real value comes from replacing the intake ducting with aluminium pipes and whether or not it requires bigger blow off valves. So would you be better off just buying the exhaust bits from Willall and/or others and then just going with the tune? (Their new titanium midpipe looks beautiful). And I'm also curious as to whether or not you needed to go to 800cc injectors when you were making 401 kW with the original ones? Was it just a safety decision as you were getting marginal on injector duty cycle? Definitely +1 on the brakes and for wheels and tyres I'd go down the path of 18s with 2nd hand slicks as many on here have done for best value/speed for money. Depends on whether you want to trailer your car to the track or change them once there I suppose. I'm still a couple years away from doing my mods but always very interested in whats delivering the best results out there.

Thanks for that. I'll get my Nissan man to call your Nissan man

You can get it on tapleys hill road now at the Liberty.