I dont know, some hsv owners like this guy are complete wankers. I met a guy at the lights in a Nice new hsv and complemented his car, he also complemented my r33 asking about power and these sort of things. He even openly admitted that my car was faster. We did not drag off the line because both of us knew there was nothing to prove. Wankers like u skyliner killer are giving some nice hsv owners a really bad name.