Lpg For Stagea?

[munchstagea]

This was in the paper the other day... Hydrogen baby! Not sure if it really works and if it would rust your motor out or something crazy like that? If it was really that good an oil company would have brought them out and shut it down I guess...

[Sydneykid]

Here’s a quick run down on why LPG is a bad idea;

1. You need 1.3 litres of LPG to go as far as 1 litre of 98 ron.

2. The LPG tank (being a pressure vessel) has thicker walls, hence for the same outside dimensions it will hold 20% less.

3. Add 1 & 2 together and it means 50% less distance between refills compared to he same dimensioned petrol tank.

4. LPG is now 99 ron, the 110 ron dropped to get the price down

5. There isn’t an LPG system designed for RB’s, so you would need one to be made up “special”. Think lots of $’s.

6. They will use a single point gas mixer (not 6 injectors, not sequential), it will simply be connected to the throttle, more throttle opening = more gas squirted in. No fuel mapping as such.

7. Your standard ECU will run the ignition etc

8. Driveability, cold start and run, hot run etc will all suffer as a result of the poor (in comparison) fuel metering.

9. If you live in a cold area you won’t be able to drive your car until it warms up. If you don’t warm it up, drive off and accidentally use too much throttle you may well get a gas explosion in the inlet system. Not large enough to hurt you but large enough to require a top end rebuild.

And a few others I have forgotten.

cheers

[FLYSLY]

they are some fairly decent points.

Can always rely on SK

[Ska]

Yeap, SarKastic Strikes again

All well put points but! Only upside to lpg is the price AT THE MOMENT....... which we all know will rise eventually.....

Hydrogen is doable, but where are you going to fill up? The oil companies would have to spend BILLIONS to roll out the infrastructure worldwide, and that is the only way it would happen, as Australia has a very small population compared to China, USA, europe, etc etc.

BMW Has a motor that runs dual petrol and hydrogen, but again, where to fill up? Also have you considered the cost of making Hydrogen.... You would be surprised.

This is a very interesting site:

http://www.sonyclassics.com/whokilledtheelectriccar/

And for those who think an electric car cant look sporty or feel sporty:

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story...81-2703,00.html

http://www.teslamotors.com/index.php?js_enabled=1

But again, look at the price of them...... horrific! And are they being mass produced, no.

All in all, we're boned!

[stasis]

oil companies are not goin gto invest into new tech cos they need to protect their current investments such as rigs and refineries. Ubnless the govt gives them tax encentives in their new investments. if not they are just going to do with the old ways.

For an example diesel engine wasnt developed to run on diesel. But when the inventor died the oil companises modified the engine to run on the current deisel. Diesel engine when it wwas first developed it was to run on peanut oil!! So the oil companies have the fiesel as by products which the couldnt sell and they used the diesel engine to run on the current diesel fuel.

All in all look at the long term costs. The only time Lpg is worth it when you run 100k/yr then its wirth it if not dont bother. Like i said before LPG has actually risen 300%+ compares to what it was 7 years ago.

[Ska]

Yeah in the solomon islands they run all thier diesel stuff on coconut oil

[IMPORTD]

Plenty of people making thier own fuel too.. When I worked in a pub we had a guy come around and collect all the old oil - canola - and off he went to make his fuel

[Ska]

It's not that hard:

http://www.biodieselcommunity.org/

http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html

http://www.schnews.org.uk/diyguide/howtomakebiodiesel.htm