Targa Tas 07

[sav man]

We got some recce in today and yesterday. Took us a while to get the hang of taking notes, as dad didn't understand that the first pass is very slow. The chicanes are a bitch to find, the white markings are very hard too see. We've only done 3 stages, but now we have the hang it we should be able to get them done resobly quick. Thanks TT for your notes, gave us a good idea of how to go.

[Targa Tom]

We got some recce in today and yesterday. Took us a while to get the hang of taking notes, as dad didn't understand that the first pass is very slow. The chicanes are a bitch to find, the white markings are very hard too see. We've only done 3 stages, but now we have the hang it we should be able to get them done resobly quick. Thanks TT for your notes, gave us a good idea of how to go.

Paint is only as good as the undercoat Ben. As novices when we did our notes first time, took many runs to get right. The big thing is consistancy. Start to rush and if you write a 4 as a 5, and it is after many calls that are right - trouble.

Good notes will make you faster, safer and less hard on gear.

TT

[sav man]

Paint is only as good as the undercoat Ben. As novices when we did our notes first time, took many runs to get right. The big thing is consistancy. Start to rush and if you write a 4 as a 5, and it is after many calls that are right - trouble.

Good notes will make you faster, safer and less hard on gear.

TT

Oh I know that, just when we first started, we were going through 5-6 times because we were driving too fast (and getting the wrong notes down, and missing chicanes). now we go through at ~30-40km/h, and stoping for notes to be written properly, and that mean's our next runs through the stage are only double checking notes, and not having to start from scratch again.

But i'll remember not the rush them, I'm not a fan of hugging tree's.

[PHaT MR30]

We don't really have time to make our own note, so we end up just buying some and doing a run over them and putting any changes in neccessary.

Used Vandenberg's for Rally Tas not sure who we use for Targa but the name Laurie Pitt rings a bell?

Anyway Vandenberg's weren't too bad, didn't mind them at all

[Targa Tom]

............ The chicanes are a bitch to find, the white markings are very hard too see. .............

You using the recce notes Ben, it has the chicane distance from start in there. You only have to show brendan where the odometer is and zero it at the TS.

Here is Holwell for eg

HOLWELL TARGA STAGE Base Time: 3min 30Sec

Start Line on Holwell Road 160m North of the Frankford Highway

0.0 SO

0.5 RGR on Crest

1.9 Crest then RGR

2.5 Chicane RADIO POINT

3.0 Chicane RADIO POINT

3.8 CARE! RGR then Tight Left

5.2 CAUTION!! Crest then RGR

5.8 RGR on Crest

6.0 Deep Gutter on Right

6.5 Crest then RGL and Tightens

7.70 Finish Line (Yellow TF)

8.0 Stop Point (White SP)

8.2 Time Control (White TC)

TT

[88silhouette]

wow marlin good work mate

[sav man]

You using the recce notes Ben, it has the chicane distance from start in there. You only have to show brendan where the odometer is and zero it at the TS.

Yes we are using them, and we zero the Teratrip at the start. We just like to see the markings so we know we're in the right spot. Do all the chicanes go the same way?

[Marlin]

Yes we are using them, and we zero the Teratrip at the start. We just like to see the markings so we know we're in the right spot. Do all the chicanes go the same way?

Yep, all chicanes are entered from the left.

[Targa Tom]

Yep, all chicanes are entered from the left.

Have they changed them Ben? All the events we have done so far you have entered on the right ie wrong side of the road - doing a L-R-L turn.

Ben M. The old counters for Chicane were III II I C. Some of this years are C3 C2 C1 C.

Another thing, if you are running the Targa callibration in your Terratrip, then note things as per your terra-trip. dont forget that the wheel sensors are not the most acurate things (wheel spin etc). and there may be some creep on the longer stages.

If not sure, there are 2x 10k markers. One bass hwy, the other East Tamar.

TT

[sav man]

we tested out terratrip on the bass highway (5k one), and it was 0.02% fast.

The chicane on the Deloraine stage still had marks on it from last year (tarmak had been ripped up), and that one was entered from the left. As long as they are all the same.

[Marlin]

Have they changed them Ben? All the events we have done so far you have entered on the right ie wrong side of the road - doing a L-R-L turn.

TT

Sorry, you're 100% correct. I was wrong. Brain fade.

[Targa Tom]

we tested out terratrip on the bass highway (5k one), and it was 0.02% fast.

The chicane on the Deloraine stage still had marks on it from last year (tarmak had been ripped up), and that one was entered from the left. As long as they are all the same.

I don't know of the 5k Bass Highway one. If you are talking about the big signs on the bypass, then they are main roads ones. Need to use the event callibration, because that is what the road books are written off.

There are two;

One Northbound on the East Tamar highway. Just before the AMC turn off big green sign, there are two yellow triangles painted on the road. It finishes just before the bridge at the northern end of dilston. The return direction starts on the northern side of the dilston bridge and goes to just beyond the AMC turn off (south bound).

The Second is meander (old bass) hwy west(or East) bound. The house with the big pine hedge just past the entally turn off (two houses on left it is about half way between) but only marked on the eastbound lane.

It finishes at 1810 meander(old bass) highway - someones driveway before the Hagley roundabout.

If you are callibrating to distance you should be looking for short or long, not fast slow.

Don't be too concerned about the Chicanes. They are big orange and white things with three big boards as you approach. If they are 100 meters either way - no big deal.

The event cal might be longer or shorter tahn main roads (dunno - never checked it) but is is the same cal all the roadbooks are written off...

TT

[sav man]

We must of tested the main road ones then, it was on the new Bass highway, just near the Entally off ramp (but in the Launceston direction), after 5k the Terratrip read 5.10 k hence +0.02%. But i'll re-do it on the event one, I think the event one runs a little shorter than the road one.

We've mainly been using the Terratrip for measuring distances between corners on the recce, and finding chicanes. We're not sure about using a running total of km down the side (to be used if we fall off the notes), as it'll get out of wack on the long stages with wheel spin and what not.

[Targa Tom]

We must of tested the main road ones then, it was on the new Bass highway, just near the Entally off ramp (but in the Launceston direction), after 5k the Terratrip read 5.10 k hence +0.02%. But i'll re-do it on the event one, I think the event one runs a little shorter than the road one.

We've mainly been using the Terratrip for measuring distances between corners on the recce, and finding chicanes. We're not sure about using a running total of km down the side (to be used if we fall off the notes), as it'll get out of wack on the long stages with wheel spin and what not.

Terra trip for navigator, eye for driver... Most driver call as they see. If Brendan says 200, then it is 200. It may be 150 or 300, doesn't matter.

I'll tell you what we do Ben - not the right way, but a way of doing it. We drive the stage at about 70ks (have a peice of tape wrapped round the middle of the wheel and 8 peices on the dash). We drive the white line and I call the distance as I see it and the grade of the turn. We don't check distances at this point.

We then insert Chicanes and drive with the navgator calling the notes back... I may say theat 100 is more like 80 etc. We use & and then for 0~50 unless its over a crest or round something blind into a sharp one then we nominate a distance. Into is like for s's and IMMediate is when the car has to change attitude mid corner and doesn't get settled naturally. The distance doent have to be spot on as it is driver perception. As long as you are consistant. 50 between a L2 & L3 looks like 50. 50 between L4½ & L5 becomes an into... so if you wrtite what your old man see's then when you read it back, he will be able to visualise. Start telling him the Terra trip said that was 100 when he sees 50, then he will have to do mental sums OK when he says 50 its about 100.

After we are happy with then notes and layout - ie no hectic calls at bottom of page or end of line, then we drive and log the distance for the beginnig of the line.

This distance is purely if the Nav needs to insert car off, oil etc at the start line quickly. My old nav used this to double check position on the longer stages. Mike actually does it differently.

Hope this helps

TT

[PHaT MR30]

We found with our Terratrip that it was dead accurate on transport, but through hellyer it was WAY out, im guessing the sensor got too hot?

[Targa Tom]

We found with our Terratrip that it was dead accurate on transport, but through hellyer it was WAY out, im guessing the sensor got too hot?

Tyre slip Tim, and the fact you are cutting corners. (well I know you blokes don't - LOL, but not following the LHS of the road) Most use the Cal 2 facility to put in a shorter(less) cal for the race stages. The good navs can punch in calcs on the fly, but as I say some dont use em. We didn't even turn the Terra on at Rally Tas (broken wire in plug LOL).

TT

[Necx0]

Make sure everyone puts their car numbers down so I will come and say hello to you guys!!!! Except for you Tim I know what you look like

I am officiating on the Longley stange. Can't wait for Targa, had a chat to Jim Richards at the F1 and he is pumped for it. As for cutting corners, if it's there to be cut.....cut it!!!! I can see how it would disadvantage those running later though.....

[Targa Tom]

Make sure everyone puts their car numbers down so I will come and say hello to you guys!!!! Except for you Tim I know what you look like

I am officiating on the Longley stange. Can't wait for Targa, had a chat to Jim Richards at the F1 and he is pumped for it. As for cutting corners, if it's there to be cut.....cut it!!!! I can see how it would disadvantage those running later though.....

TT 984

Edited March 20, 2007 by Targa Tom

[Kel]

Kel & Duncan have inherited Targa Tom's old number (and hopefully his good luck!) - 832.

[88silhouette]

awesome work hope you guys have a ball

fantastic to see sau people competing in this!