Engineers Certificates

[GT-R32]

I had a mate tell me there is a 'new format' for engineers certificates. Basically that Dickson Motor Registry won't accept the old format at all and instead make people get a new one and go through the procedure as if they are just starting out. To me it sounds like total crap, considering the ADRs are as they are, but he then gave an example of a certain car the he 'knows' had it happen (not a Skyline).

Anyone heard of anything similar?

[Bluprint]

Doesn't sound right. An engineer's approval is an engineer's approval.

Do you know what's different in this new format? Like something that has to be approved now that didn't have to be approved before?

So what your mate is basically saying is, if I have to go to Dickson for whatever reason, and I hand them my engineer's report which they have already gone over and approved over a year ago, they will then tell me that it's invalid and I have to pay in excess of $1,000 again to get a new certificate that says the same thing as the old one, and then go through all the bullshit I did with Dickson the last time, all over again?

*Bluprint sets reminder in his phone to call Ray Spence on Monday...

Edited April 4, 2009 by Bluprint

[GT-R32]

It makes basically no sense like you say, the same ADRs are referred to and it was legal at the time it was done. So there should be no reason for it to change.

I basically don't believe it and will be calling Monday, but this was the quickest way to see if anyone had heard anything since he told me Friday night!

[Bullet32]

Your mate might be referring to an amendment in the laws regarding modifying cars, the RTA and Police are constantly looking for ways to add new guidelines (amendments) to existing laws which govern what modifications are legal or not.

I cant see how or why they would be able to justify making all previous engineering certificates invalid, that would surely go against the fair trading act.

[Helious]

Only way they can override/invalidate a signed and certified engineers certificate is by having 2-3 other engineers of the same field all agree that the inspection and object of approval does not meet basic ADR and that the judgement by that engineer is unsound and...as engineers like to you..unethical.

If someone at the pits disputes a engineers certificate, ask them if they are an engineer. If they say no, then ask them to keep their personal comments to themselves as it is unprofessional to be bias towards a car just because they have an opinion. If they say they are an engineer ask them on what basis they are refusing the accept the certificate. If they cant give a valid one say untill they can offically nullify the approval of the certificate, it stands as it IS A LEGALLY SOUND DOCUMENT. If an engineer is approved to assess and approve modifcation on a car, they are approved by the government, the same government section who keep adding all these new amendments to the laws in the first place.

Yes Bullet you are corrent, but more so in the fact if they are invalidating signed engineering certs. without valid reason the engineer has the right to sue as he is a professional in the field and invalidating the certs. they produce is insinuating that their judgement is false and impropper and can be taken as defimation of business and person.

P.S. Where can i get some tyres Bullet, as i probably should change them.

[Helious]

I talked to a mechanical engineer at my work. He said when he did do engineer certificates, that the only people who can void it are other engineers with similar qualifications. But as it IS a legal document, it will have to be done through a court and they will have to present sufficent evidence to void it. I did not ask him about expiry dates as such, but if it has one it will be writen on the engineer cert. They cannot invalidate them just because the 'format' or 'paper' that is was writen on has changed, as last time i checked you can still use the old bank notes as they are 'LEGAL' tender.

[GT-R32]

I talked to a mechanical engineer at my work. He said when he did do engineer certificates, that the only people who can void it are other engineers with similar qualifications. But as it IS a legal document, it will have to be done through a court and they will have to present sufficent evidence to void it. I did not ask him about expiry dates as such, but if it has one it will be writen on the engineer cert. They cannot invalidate them just because the 'format' or 'paper' that is was writen on has changed, as last time i checked you can still use the old bank notes as they are 'LEGAL' tender.

Good post - thanks.

A bit of investigating into what caused this rubbish is this bloke's engine number changed and the engineer re-did the whole car as he refused to just change the number! The engineer said it had to be done as some rules had changed (Dickson had no issue with the certificate just the number). So there you go.

[Helious]

Ah I see. I would only understand the need to check the whole car if the engine is a different type (rotor/JA80/RB30) as he would have to check if the car can support the change and that none of the supports and chassis has been compromised to put it in. If its just a swap cause the engine blew, sounds like he just making excuses, but since he is the engineer we dont have a choice as no matter how much we argue about it he is the engineer. Atleast he is covering all avenues and aspects so your friend will have a fully engineered car. XD