Yo! Undercover Bikes

[Bunta]

rode a shit bike?

twas an r6

as Noel says they have no rubber on the road

[FineLine]

Its more about weight transfer Bunt. In a car you turn the wheel and it transfers the weight for you. On a bike to go fast you have to climb all over them like a monkey on a stick each time you want to change direction. It takes time.

[Beelzebub89]

twas an r6

as Noel says they have no rubber on the road

I admit generalisations suck balls. How many people with a decent set up car are going to be running from the cops? The majority of them are going to be 33s with china crap coil overs and standard brakes with a set of nankangs. In a perfect world a decent car is going to do alright but in reality its only ever going to end bad.

Its more about weight transfer Bunt. In a car you turn the wheel and it transfers the weight for you. On a bike to go fast you have to climb all over them like a monkey on a stick each time you want to change direction. It takes time.

I'd say time lost in corners could more than be made up for with the wicked acceleration. Not going to argue hypotheticals anymore though.

[FineLine]

I dont deal in hypo's. Here's a small mathematical equation for you.

A well shod bike has about a 50 mil contact patch with the road both front and rear. thats about 100 mil total.

A well shod car. (will use mine for the sake of the excercise) has 1 metre and 60 mil of contact area on the road.

A Busa weighs in around 350 kg, my car weighs in around 1300 kg.

Which do you think will stick better?

As for their giddyupgo in a straight line. Blistering, but certainly not twice as quick as the car. If memory serves me they do a low 10 second 1/4 mile. I do a low 11.

On anything but a straight road I will eat his lunch. (and have done)

[Beelzebub89]

I dont deal in hypo's. Here's a small mathematical equation for you.

A well shod bike has about a 50 mil contact patch with the road both front and rear. thats about 100 mil total.

A well shod car. (will use mine for the sake of the excercise) has 1 metre and 60 mil of contact area on the road.

A Busa weighs in around 350 kg, my car weighs in around 1300 kg.

Which do you think will stick better?

As for their giddyupgo in a straight line. Blistering, but certainly not twice as quick as the car. If memory serves me they do a low 10 second 1/4 mile. I do a low 11.

On anything but a straight road I will eat his lunch. (and have done)

Busas run 120/70 fronts and 190/50 rears. Say half of that which is 155mm contact patch. Pretty poor but they weigh a fair bit less than 350kg. Closer to 250kg with a full tank. The car will stick to the road better but that doesn't necessarily mean it will get away.

Still a fair bit of difference between a low 11 and a low 10. A busa will do 0 - 100 in under 4 secs and 0 - 160 in under 7 seconds. Street cars running that quick are the exception rather than the rule.

[Bunta]

you said any bike will out handle a car....

I vote Colin on a postie bike vs Noel

[Beelzebub89]

meh as stated generalisations suck balls. I'll try to be more specific next time.

[FineLine]

Busas run 120/70 fronts and 190/50 rears. Say half of that which is 155mm contact patch. Pretty poor but they weigh a fair bit less than 350kg. Closer to 250kg with a full tank. The car will stick to the road better but that doesn't necessarily mean it will get away.

Still a fair bit of difference between a low 11 and a low 10. A busa will do 0 - 100 in under 4 secs and 0 - 160 in under 7 seconds. Street cars running that quick are the exception rather than the rule.

Wasting my time. Been there done it. Let me know when you have. And fwiw, The bike tyre due to the neccesity of its shape has far less road contact patch than what you claim.

[Bunta]

fear my use of ad absurdium

[FineLine]

hyabusa weighs 220 kg dry. add fluids and a rider and they will see 300 plus kg's easily.

Add all the shit a copper has to carry and they will more than top out 350 kg.

Now STFU.

[FineLine]

fear my use of ad absurdium

I fear your egg nog.

[Beelzebub89]

Wasting my time. Been there done it. Let me know when you have. And fwiw, The bike tyre due to the neccesity of its shape has far less road contact patch than what you claim.

Both my parents ride 1000cc sport bikes and I always find it difficult to keep up. Reverse positions and they never have a problem keeping up with me. As I said well set up cars are the exception rather than the rule.

[FineLine]

Both my parents ride 1000cc sport bikes and I always find it difficult to keep up. Reverse positions and they never have a problem keeping up with me. As I said well set up cars are the exception rather than the rule.

Give me your keys.

[Beelzebub89]

hyabusa weighs 220 kg dry. add fluids and a rider and they will see 300 plus kg's easily.

Add all the shit a copper has to carry and they will more than top out 350 kg.

Now STFU.

So 1300kgs in your car is with a driver n all? I assumed you were comparing a car without a driver with a bike with a rider n that seemed a bit unfair.

[Beelzebub89]

Give me your keys.

You wouldnt wanna drive my dirty flat capper gtr anyway

[FineLine]

So 1300kgs in your car is with a driver n all? I assumed you were comparing a car without a driver with a bike with a rider n that seemed a bit unfair.

think about it. I add 93 kilo to the weight of the car. Less than 10 percent.

The copper adds a minimum of 90 kg. What percentage do you think that is?

Call the car 1400 kg for the excercise. Its contact patch v weight still far outdoes that of the bike.

And i dont have to climb all over the bike to get it to change direction in a hurry. I simply move the wheel and sit there solid as a rock in a full bucket seat.

[mad082]

i agree with everyone who says that the bike will be slower. the only reason why the cops might have these is simply to catch other bikes. or possibly on a highway pursuit. but round the narrow streets the bikes would get left for dead. while the busa might have accelleration from hell, it's handling (compared to other sports bikes) will send you there pretty quickly.

i've seen a police chase in town where a v6 commodore cop car was right up the arse of the bike it was chasing, until they got onto a straight section of road where the bike was able to pull away a bit. i was coming up to an intersection when the bike went flying past with the cop car right behind it. they had just come up a windy section of road

[mad082]

oh and meant to post this up too

[Slow S13]

I will eat there 'Busa with my Lams approved 250 when i get my licence

[astrotristan]

the only reason why the cops might have these is simply to catch other bikes

this would make sense, anyone who has been up the hills would know that there are sections with huge signs saying "MOTORBIKE CRASHES HAVE OCCURED IN NEXT 10KM" or something to that effect..

so they could just be there for that

or could be used to hide and catch spirited drivers speeding..