Formula 1 2010

[Krishy]

well i think that they were expecting the green tyre to deteriorate quicker but it didnt or the teams/drivers just managed it better.....but if it were to deteriorate faster then you would see a few more stops....ir the front runners would start on the green tyre then switch to hard option and then have the green ones back on for the last stint of the race and in saying that the fuel load is still a big issue......

[TALBO]

lap times at the end of the race were still 6-7 seconds off qualifying pace!!

and i think qualy was worse as well... because if you want to refule you have to pull into the garage and do it, so lots of teams were only doing 1 lap flyers!

tho i think if overtaking was easier, we'd see people making multiple pit stops and faster lap times =\ its a viscious cycle!

True. Someone I guess is going to do it sooner or later, like Schuey used to and made work for him 99/100 in his early F1 days.

EDIT: In those days, having to use both compounds wasn't part of the regulations either

[Krishy]

but dont forget that in those days there were more then 1 tyre manufacturer

i say bring back 2-4 different tyre manufacturers and the refueling and make the race go to 60 or 70 odd laps as it used to

[TALBO]

Nah I'm talking early mid nineties when Goodyear was the sole supplier.

Number of laps normally doesn't mean too much because GP's are calculated so that near on exactly 300Km has been covered, don't think this has changed recently.

[Krishy]

i still say they need the refuelling phase in the gp with more then 1 tyre manufacturer....pronto

[TALBO]

I don't have a problem with having 1 tyre manufacturer. Don't really want a repeat of 2005 where Michelin completely dominated Bridgestone, except in the USA of course

I think they need to bring back refuelling but also lift the bullshit rev limiter and engine/gearbox usage rule. They already have an engine development freeze to cut costs, so imo it should be a free for all in regards to tuning these things for max hp. Might see a few blowing them up (insert a certain drivers name in here), but that's just a part of racing.

[Krishy]

i think making one engine/gearbox package last 3 races is absolutely crap.....those engines are tuned to be very fuel efficient hence the loss in power......they run them lean so that they dont need to use as much fuel but they give up some HP as part of that......this seasons rules need to be changed otherwise it will be one boring season

[Damo_R34]

lol, soon they will just issue all drivers with the same cars!

[Krishy]

yes we will make that a grid of ferrari's

[Inline 6]

well depending on who you are that would be better all having the same car. could possibly make the races closer.

[TALBO]

That would be shit! Just like Indy/Champ cars that have pretty much identical chassis's with different engine suppliers

[Inline 6]

lol the v8 supercar fans love it, just putting different stickers on them is enough to make them feel there different cars.

and group A had vastly different cars and as we seen that didnt leave the various manufacturers happy.

Edited March 18, 2010 by Inline 6

[Krishy]

thats for toothless bogans

[TALBO]

lol the v8 supercar fans love it, just putting different stickers on them is enough to make them feel there different cars.

and group A had vastly different cars and as we seen that didnt leave the various manufacturers happy.

And the ATTC was vastly better than it is now.

[Krishy]

Damn i wish i was Jamie Whincup today lol.....he gets to swap his V8 supercar with Jenson Button with his F1 car......should be rather interesting to see that how the 2 drivers go in different cars lol

[V35-2005]

just about to board my flight to Melbourne for four days of F1 goodness

it's better when you can hear the engines and smell the fuel

[TALBO]

^ So true, enjoy

[Krishy]

damn i envy you now kim.....enjoy it mate and watch those ferrari's kick ass lol.....

[Fishpaste~]

wow, so anoyed at everyone pointing at F1 and saying "its not fun because there is no overtaking"

i think alonso hit the nail on the head about the re-fueling rule and its impact... heres an example

Last years race weekend:

P1-P3, no real change hard to tell who is running what fuel loads and who is realy the quickest (most of the time, occasionally u'd see red bull for example top the time sheets and you just know that they always run heavy that day and hence they had a QUICK car)

Q in general - no change, get to see if anyone makes a mistake and knocked out early or someone puts in a killer of a lap and makes it in but..

Q1 - now there is no stratergy, i've lost the ability to speculate peoples fuel loads, there no one like toyota putting in 5 laps of fuel just to take pole

after Q1 was over i'd look at the grid and go threw and put a +2 to any kers cars and see what that did to the running

then 3 hours or whatever it was the fuel loads were publish, and then there was who was actually faster and how that will play out

then all the press would bring out their predictions for pit stops and again i'd analyse stratergies

and the choice of hard/soft tyres would threw in yet another thing to consider

its here in qualifying that its REALLY hurting our races!! you take away ALL the options for teams, no optinos means no stratergy! no stratergy = boaring racing!!!! i loved qualifying about 2 years ago, not only did you have the stratergy, but you had cars doing lots of laps thanks to fuel credit!!!!!! what more could you want??

then the race... drivers were pushing hard the whole race last year! thats what we wanted to see, not tyre managment... you'd see how fuel loads and stratergies played out, drivers havint to push their cars to get overtaking windows with pit stops or even try and overtake. i agree there still wasent alot of overtaing, but thats not what the sport is about to me... i watch NASCAR for overtaing and crashes! (isnt that what americans are good for??), but still i found F1 entertaining becuase of this stratergy... with all these options taken away from teams the only thing left to them as a stratergy is "managing" cars and not driving them hard! that is the biggest dissapointment to me! what if sebastian vetel had to cover off 2 different ferarri stratergies last race because of 2 pit stops and fuel?? much more exciting in my opinion, and probably would have given you ferarri guys some hope... mad a differance to the result? probably not... but maybe there was a problem in a pit stop or massas stratergey went pear shapped and brought him back close to hamilton??

This years race weekend:

fastest cars line up from front to back in order of speed, reliability kills a few off, then we have a winner.. whoopie, where is the stratergy or fun in that??

i guess you can boil it down to "driving not managment" and "options not processions"

to me thats the heart of the problem, not sure if anyone else sees it that way

[Adelaideprosound]

wow, so anoyed at everyone pointing at F1 and saying "its not fun because there is no overtaking"

i think alonso hit the nail on the head about the re-fueling rule and its impact... heres an example

Last years race weekend:

P1-P3, no real change hard to tell who is running what fuel loads and who is realy the quickest (most of the time, occasionally u'd see red bull for example top the time sheets and you just know that they always run heavy that day and hence they had a QUICK car)

Q in general - no change, get to see if anyone makes a mistake and knocked out early or someone puts in a killer of a lap and makes it in but..

Q1 - now there is no stratergy, i've lost the ability to speculate peoples fuel loads, there no one like toyota putting in 5 laps of fuel just to take pole

after Q1 was over i'd look at the grid and go threw and put a +2 to any kers cars and see what that did to the running

then 3 hours or whatever it was the fuel loads were publish, and then there was who was actually faster and how that will play out

then all the press would bring out their predictions for pit stops and again i'd analyse stratergies

and the choice of hard/soft tyres would threw in yet another thing to consider

its here in qualifying that its REALLY hurting our races!! you take away ALL the options for teams, no optinos means no stratergy! no stratergy = boaring racing!!!! i loved qualifying about 2 years ago, not only did you have the stratergy, but you had cars doing lots of laps thanks to fuel credit!!!!!! what more could you want??

then the race... drivers were pushing hard the whole race last year! thats what we wanted to see, not tyre managment... you'd see how fuel loads and stratergies played out, drivers havint to push their cars to get overtaking windows with pit stops or even try and overtake. i agree there still wasent alot of overtaing, but thats not what the sport is about to me... i watch NASCAR for overtaing and crashes! (isnt that what americans are good for??), but still i found F1 entertaining becuase of this stratergy... with all these options taken away from teams the only thing left to them as a stratergy is "managing" cars and not driving them hard! that is the biggest dissapointment to me! what if sebastian vetel had to cover off 2 different ferarri stratergies last race because of 2 pit stops and fuel?? much more exciting in my opinion, and probably would have given you ferarri guys some hope... mad a differance to the result? probably not... but maybe there was a problem in a pit stop or massas stratergey went pear shapped and brought him back close to hamilton??

This years race weekend:

fastest cars line up from front to back in order of speed, reliability kills a few off, then we have a winner.. whoopie, where is the stratergy or fun in that??

i guess you can boil it down to "driving not managment" and "options not processions"

to me thats the heart of the problem, not sure if anyone else sees it that way

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