Speed Isnt the main killer.

[The_Paladin]

oh and i wouldnt be ripping volvo's insant.

some of the new models have internals that would root the hind legs off 9 out of 10 skylines on the road. the S90(?) inline six, twin turbo, more driver assists than a v-spec, stock standard. yes that volvo beats your skyline. cost's a bit though.......

[Guest INASNT]

oh and i wouldnt be ripping volvo's insant.

some of the new models have internals that would root the hind legs off 9 out of 10 skylines on the road.  the S90(?)  inline six, twin turbo, more driver assists than a v-spec, stock standard.  yes that volvo beats your skyline.  cost's a bit though.......

But 99% of Volvos on the road are old with retired and drive slow!

As for the S90 i aint to worried about them at the moment coz the 10g i have spent on my car in the last few months will give me piece of mind.

[The_Paladin]

that's cause they dont die. More reliable than nissan's you get what you pay for.....

hahahahahahahahhaha mod's are the only way you're going to keep up with some of the new models.

[Guest INASNT]

that's cause they dont die.  More reliable than nissan's  you get what you pay for.....

hahahahahahahahhaha mod's are the only way you're going to keep up with some of the new models.

mate if i was in the market for a new fast car, i wouldnt even be looking at a volvo, unless i was a grandpa for sumthing. There are so much better cars out there than a volvo

[The_Paladin]

oh yeah. heaps better cars out there than volvo. i'm not saying they're the best. just better than nissan. you're ripping a higher $ car than your own???? who's next on the list, Jags? that's the funny thing about volvo's they dont design them for speed but they still beat lots of models that are

[Guest INASNT]

oh yeah. heaps better cars out there than volvo. i'm not saying they're the best. just better than nissan.

yet you post on a nissan forum??

no volvo forums around that interest you?

[surreal]

Some facts and figures I have collected from around the place...

(NOTE: I do not advocate a complete absence of speed enforcement - I do, however, object to inappropriate law enforcement in the name saving lives. If you want to save lives, be serious about it with well founded strategies).

~ Taking into account the growing number of road users, the proportion of deaths on Australian roads has actually been falling every year since 1980. In 1980 there were approx. eight million cars on the road (well before the introduction of speed cameras/lasers) with 2954 deaths. In 2002 there were approx. twelve million cars on the road with 1717 deaths - approx. a forty two percent fall in the total road toll for Australian roads.

Source - 'Fatal crash data' from the Australian Transport Safety Bureau.

~ Accidental falls kill as many people in Australia every year as fatal car accidents. Hmmm...I wonder how the government can start enforcing a system of fines for our own protection when it comes to ladder safety issues....

~ Almost 2500 people take their own life every year in Australia. Since 1990, suicide has been a more common cause of death for males than road accidents.

Source - Flinders University Research Centre for Injury Studies.

~ In 2002, Queensland had an eight percent rise in the road toll from the preceding year (total number of people killed). This was despite an increased number of speed cameras/lasers and a large jump in the total revenue raised from them.

Source - 2002/2003 Queensland Police Report.

~ The road toll in Victoria has been increasing since 1999. In the 2002-2003 fiscal year it is estimated that the Victorian Government will earn approx. $334 million from speeding fines. More than half of this amount will come from 0-15kph over fines.

~ The road toll in NSW last year was the worst since 1995 (up nineteen percent on 2001). In the same year, the total number of speed cameras/lasers was increased from 58 to 100. It is estimated (conservatively) that these 100 cameras will raise $180 million dollars in fines in 2003 - NONE of which will go into road safety initiatives and is a total approx. double that of the amount currently spent on the total road safety budget.

Source - NRMA CEO, Rob Carter.

~ In Queensland, sixty percent more people are involved in alcohol linked fatal crashes than in speed linked fatal crashes. In 2001-2002 there were 452,000 traffic infringement notices issued, yet only 24,641 drink driving infringement notices were issued.

Source - 2001-2002 Queensland Police's Report.

~ In 2002, the Victorian speed tolerance was cut to 3kph. The ADR's (Australian Design Regulations - the Federal design and safety laws and manufacturing regulations for all vehicles built, imported or sold in Australia) make a 10% allowance for speedometer inaccuracy. That is, 54 to 66 kph in a 60kph zone, 90 to 110 in a 100kph zone etc.

Draw your own conclusions people.

[The_Paladin]

you think nissan is better than porshe?

why dont you go to the porshe forums then inasnt. weird logic.

i like nissan's i think they're good cars for the money. but we're not talking value, we're talking performance. in which nissan (and volvo to a lesser extent)

[The_Paladin]

*continued*

in which nissan (and volvo to a lesser extent) dont mean a thing up aginst the italian stuff.

i think what i'm saying is dont say a make is slower than your's when it's not. it makes you look stoooopid.

"~ Accidental falls kill as many people in Australia every year as fatal car accidents. Hmmm...I wonder how the government can start enforcing a system of fines for our own protection when it comes to ladder safety issues...."

ummmmmmmmm...........they do mate. i studied theatre tech work, in order to rig something on a ladder (above the hight of your head) you need a riggers ticket license. failure to do so can cop a fine much larger than any speeding ticket thats been issued. however, no busts so it is largely ignorned (including my class and everywhere i've worked) but the laws are still there.

i think attutudes are changing a bit, drink driving isnt as acceptable as what it was 10-20 years ago etc.

i think unbias research from a 3rd party (royal commission? yeah probbly a bit too far. ) hired by the fedral government (who dosent recieve road tax??) to find out what the hell is going on with a view to implement the findings. as in if it said more people were dying of dui then more enforcement there......

just a thought.....

[Guest INASNT]

you think nissan is better than porshe?

and i said this when?

[Zagan]

I think you need to look at things in a different way.

Most of that report is only based on crashes on a highway, most of the crashes involing speed arn't on a highway and don't require another car to be around.

I've driven around suburbs and seen cars completely wiped out because they took a corner too fast and hit into a tree, sure it might not have been a 100ks but was probably at 60ks trying to go around a corner that really should be taken at 30-40ks or less.

This is why they add in these types of crashes as well.

Another one is speeding yourself but someone doesn't want to stop at a intersection or a red light and trys to speed on through.

Almost everyday I go through an T intersection where the max speed is probably 5-10ks, ie very slow, but I'm on the road that goes through, and I have to go onto the other side of the road because people won't A) slow down B) Stop at the line. They just keep going through as if I'm not going to hit their front end or not even there even if they look they still keep on trying to do 5-10ks to get around.

I surprised I havn't been hit in the side.

This could be classed as another speeding crash.

Another just further up the same road, people come speeding out of a suburbian road another sort of T intersection, they just speed out they don't look they don't care, I'm just waiting for the day that someone comes speeding by 10 meters in front of me and I hit the side of their car.

90% of crashes are done at speeds below 40ks, but most are people not wanting to stop or slow down for a tad.

If you never go through intersections like this you'll never reliase what the point is, and I didn't till I started going through these intersections everyday.

I don't bother speeding through them because if I was doing 80ks or more someone will be dead one day.

[The_Paladin]

"yet you post on a nissan forum??

no volvo forums around that interest you?"

you said it there. that was in responce to me saying that volvo is a better make than nissian so you ask why post on a nissian forum.

so you reckon nissian is the best make? better performance than all the others? cause if you dont why are you posting on the nissan forums???

i'll say it again. i'm here cause i like nissians.

[The_Paladin]

i agree zagan. most of the speed crashes are breaking the safty limits albiet at low speeds. more low speed camers??? rather than highways. move em away....

[Guest INASNT]

"yet you post on a nissan forum??

no volvo forums around that interest you?"

you said it there.  that was in responce to me saying that volvo is a better make than nissian so you ask why post on a nissian forum.  

so you reckon nissian is the best make?  better performance than all the others?  cause if you dont why are you posting on the nissan forums???

i'll say it again.  i'm here cause i like nissians.

I post on a SKYLINE forum coz i own a SKYLINE, which does not mean i think nissan is the best manufacturer plain and simple.