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Easy big fella, maybe take a bex and have a lie down and you'll get over it. 18 months, 15 months a year, who cares, it was just an approximation. The fact is, these cars have been for sale for along time so obviously they're over priced. A car, like any asset is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it! These people need to drop their price now and just take the hit; otherwise these cars will still be for sale in another 12 months and will have depreciated even further! Now as for finding an R35 for 80K with 50,000klms on it, you are right, very unlikely but why on earth would you pay even 100K for one with 50,000klms on it when you can get one with around 5,000klms on it (10 times less!) for 120K-125K? It's not just about getting one for the lowest price it's about getting value for money! If you really do want an R35 I would suggest you find or save up another 10 to 15K (it's not a lot extra considering the overall outlay) and you'll find a good one with low klms, not a tired one with high klms. You don't seem realise that the price people advertise their cars for is not the price they'll sell them for. It's not rocket science!

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You'd pay $25000 extra for 45000 kms less? Guy's with low km GT-Rs here's your man! God you'd think these cars are ready for the scrap heap at 100,000 kms the way you talk... What's with this "10 times less" thing? Thats like saying one thats done 100 kms is somehow "10 times" more desirable than one that's done 1000 kms. Big picture? It will need a new engine a month later than the one thats done the higher kms..... 20 YEARS OUT! Using that logic a a car thats done 400,000 kms compared with a car thats done 200,000 kms is still a better buy than a car that's done 10,000 over one thats done 1,000 because its only twice as many kms, not 10 times!! You need to think in absolutes here. Even if you'd need an engine reco at 200,000 kms if you only do say 10,000 kms per year you would have paid an extra $25K in 2011 for the privelege of having to reco your engine in 2030 instead of 2026. I think if you put that money away wisely instead of into a depreciating asset until you need a new engine and trans you'd probably be able to buy around 10 new sets when that time comes.

And honestly, how many R34s out there were puffing smoke at 250,000 kms before their owners hauled out the engines to bolt on bigger turbos etc etc..... Most get modded well before the motor has breathed it's last breath. Wouldn't you feel a bit silly in 2020 hauling out your perfectly good 100,000 km motor for new forged internals which you paid a $25,000 premium for 10 years earlier when you could be hauling out your 145,000 km also perfectly good motor for the same treatment which you didn't spend $25,000 extra for....

And considering how well these muthus are built, (seriously take a good look at one that's stripped out or speak to anyone who's put a cage in one or a panelbeater who's had to work on one) I think these cars will have a lifetime up to twice that of an average car. Mines done 40K and it feels and drives like the day it was bought. In fact after the drive day my most fundamental feeling when i got back in mine was just how similar it felt to the new ones I'd driven that day.

Ultimately it's how, where and with what mods these cars get driven as well as total kms that will determine how good a secondhand and how much "value for money" it is. And ultimately you will probably never know any of these except for the latter. Hence why the only way to guarantee you get a "good one" is to buy new....

And if anyone has a 2011 for sale in a couple years with 50,000 on the clock for $100K please call me....I'd gladly take it off your hands...Seriously!

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You'd pay $25000 extra for 45000 kms less? Guy's with low km GT-Rs here's your man! God you'd think these cars are ready for the scrap heap at 100,000 kms the way you talk... What's with this "10 times less" thing? Thats like saying one thats done 100 kms is somehow "10 times" more desirable than one that's done 1000 kms. Even if you'd need an engine reco at 200,000 kms if you only do say 10,000 kms per year you would have paid an extra $25K in 2011 for the priveledge of having to reco your engine in 2026 instead of 2030. I think if you put that money away wisely until you need a new engine and trans you'd probably be able to buy around 10 sets when the time comes. And considering how well these muthus are built, (seriously take a good look at one that's stripped out) I think these cars will have a lifetime up to twice that of an average car. Mines done 40K and it feels and drives like the day it was bought. In fact after the drive day my most fundamental feeling when i got back in mine was just how similar it felt compared with the new ones I'd driven that day.

Can't agree with you more. Mine has done 40K as well and it is like new. Hence why I want another one and k's are not an issue but price is an issue because it is going to be "the second car". I have a $110K and that is all I am going to spend, not $120-125K. As I said, show me one for $110K or under.

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Easy big fella, maybe take a bex and have a lie down and you'll get over it. 18 months, 15 months a year, who cares, it was just an approximation. The fact is, these cars have been for sale for along time so obviously they're over priced. A car, like any asset is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it! These people need to drop their price now and just take the hit; otherwise these cars will still be for sale in another 12 months and will have depreciated even further! Now as for finding an R35 for 80K with 50,000klms on it, you are right, very unlikely but why on earth would you pay even 100K for one with 50,000klms on it when you can get one with around 5,000klms on it (10 times less!) for 120K-125K? It's not just about getting one for the lowest price it's about getting value for money! If you really do want an R35 I would suggest you find or save up another 10 to 15K (it's not a lot extra considering the overall outlay) and you'll find a good one with low klms, not a tired one with high klms. You don't seem realise that the price people advertise their cars for is not the price they'll sell them for. It's not rocket science!

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'You'd pay $25,000 extra for 45,000 kms less?' Lol and what did you pay with 0 klms? 175K? Nissan dealers here's your man! I'll take my 50K saving and invest that wisely! I wonder how many engines and trannys I could buy with that in 10 years time! So these cars are built well you say! Please humour me and tell me why you would buy a new one then??

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Contact this buyer and start with 105K as an offer. You never know. Would be interesting to know what the dealer is offering him if he's trading it for an 11 model!

http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/private/details.aspx?Cr=11&R=9337567&keywords=&trecs=26&__sid=12C8512D3590&__Ns=pCar_RankSort_Int32|1||pCar_PriceSort_Decimal|1||pCar_Make_String|0||pCar_Model_String|0&__Qpb=true&tsrc=allcarhome&__Nne=15&seot=1&__N=1216

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Simple. I do like new stuff. Un-tracked, unmodded, uncrashed and kms won't tell me any of that. There's always a premium to be paid for a perfect history. And by your reckoning my car had 25 kms on it so its 200 times less worn out than your 5000 km one. Maybe I should have paid a couple of mill for it? Seriously though if Adm 2nd hand ones were available in April 09 I would have bought one. Hence why id be looking at an 11 in two years time

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