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The President is also (IMHO) one of the worst styled luxury cars money can buy. Truly awful :D

Celsiors are nice, with a sensible kit and decent wheels. Trouble is, more often than not they end up with some monster kit, wing's bigger than most planes, drainpipes...no sewage pipes for exhausts and massive wheels at a ridiculous camber angle squeezed under monster fenders....:)

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uh no...:D

VIP strickly speaking mostly sedans and vans which enables you to fit a bigass sound system and still have your mates in the back to cruise around with you. Not to mention it's suppose to be a slug, heavy and with very little performance thus it's a show car. Which is the reason for it's popularity with bitumen scrapping bodykits but they seem to think they can still drift the car which results in an even better bodykit, one with a damaged/torn front bar...mostly entered in SPL comps.

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Dave: now VIP vans is something I would consider myself...more practical, more space and looks so much more better then a sedan when dumped on 20". A van would be no heavier then a sedan, plus it has a greater sleeper effect...with a 4WD version and the fact they are now front engines tuners have been able to slap on S/C anc T/C for some mild boost. My choice a Hybrid Estima, black of course, 20" with a nice kit :), the guy who installed my alarm had his new demo white Alphard at the shop...very very nice. Because it was a shop demo car it had every freaking alarm possible and security devices install on the market to demonstration to the customer. He joked if this van could be stolen via means of entry the theif is a genius.

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