Where to Tune a GTR in NSW

[7heavn]

They will tune it on the road no need for a dyno if anything Ben may suggest that he touch up the top end on a dyno becuase of the speeds on the road . I have same amount of mods as you bar the cams and I'm running 2530's which are alittle bigger then gt ss and my car was tuned 100% on the road with no problems by Ben .

Your looking at around the $400 mark which is good value I remember CRD wanted $1200 when I rang them . The boys at Bel spent about 2hours on my car at no extra charge before they even began tuning to make sure everything was spot on . CRD are good and have the runs on the board but they know this and they are alittle on the expensive side . I was doubtfull and unsure about taking my car to Bel's when I was looking for a tuner specially with the whole road tune thing but I'm glad I did in the end .

It's your call at the end of the day but I suggest you go and talk to both before making a decision .

[[[d a n n y]]]

i think i'll be going to bel performance too

[kabab]

No doubt CRD are good but $1200 ???

Every other place in sydney charges between $350-600..

I am getting mine tuned on Tuesday at JEM i'll let u now how it goes...

[7heavn]

hey Kabab you got a GTR now ?

[NXTIME]

Unfortunately BEL only tune Power FC's and not aftermarket ones like Autronic and Motec.

[BU5TER]

My car came from Japan with a tuned factory ecu, I was to scared to keep it because of the myth about there better fuel etc so for the couple of months I had it before I bought a power fc I was only running low boost and never knew what the factory ecu was like

I purchase a power fc and booked the car in for a tune with BEL as they had looked after me with fitting other parts and servicing the car, I let them road tune then as I was a bit concerned about road tuning only I had them finish it off on the dyno we made 280rwkw which I was happy with but then as I drove home and raced it once I felt it was lacking so I booked it back in on the dyno to do a before and after comparision with the factory ecu and power fc which I should of done from the beginning

BEL's tune made power 100rpm earlier then the factory ecu but sadly was 48rwkw less and other then the 1st 100rpm the factory ecu made more power and torque everywhere, it ended up that the factory ecu was tuned very well and didn't show any signs of pinging or leaning out

So to cut a long story short I wasted $700-800 by the time I paid for road tune and dyno tune and dyno time as you have to pay the dyno owner aswell as BEL because they don't have a dyno all to loose power

Brett

[shonen]

Hitman in Penrith done mine......Road and dyno tune...

VERY happy with the results.

Just a reminder though.....no matter how good a tuner is they can replicate 100% of what happens in the real world...so you may get some areas that need to be ironed out after the initial tune....since hitman is close to my house I have been back and he has spent a few minutes in the car with me ironing out the problem areas....all free of charge.

ok its not a GTR....but I dont see what the difference is when it comes to tuning.

[williamsf1]

buster just to confirm that you don't have a GTR?

[BU5TER]

No I have a 330rwkw R33 gtst though this has no bearing on tuning does it?

[Mik]

I've had a few cars tuned by Ben at Bel.

They did a road tune on my GTR. but the top end was getting a bit hairy on the street, so he wanted to clean it up a bit and lean it out on the dyno. I ran the car at WSID after just the road tune and did a 11.6@120MPH.

Bel took it down the south coast to a 4x4 dyno and it only needed about 30-40mins spent on it. Ended up making 290kw. (still running fairly rich AFRS)

At compak attak, the car ran an 11.3 and was trapping 124mph. A bit more fuel can be taken out at the top end and it will make a touch more power.

I've also had a couple of Subarus tuned by Bel. My old STI (street tune only) was stock except for PowerFC and exhaust and was running mid 12s and trapping 111mph. Lots of guys spend big dollars on WRXs and still can't get into the 12s.

Bel have tuned quite a few GTRs from this forum. I can think of at least 7 or 8.

[BU5TER]

The funny thing with tunes is that unless something major goes wrong and you get a tune from another tuner you've got nothing to compare it with, so you may be happy with a mediocre tune and never know its mediocre as its all you know

In my experience if you want a nine or ten second car pick a tuner that has the experience with tuning this level of modifcations as if you don't all you will get is another mediocre 11 second car and tune and waste your $$ like I did

Sure 9 out of 10 of the tuners mentioned in this thread can tune but to what level they can tune is another thing, if your happy to be just another 11 second car use them but if you want that edge like TWO 06l has running 130mph or me 128mph think before you pick as that extra 48rwkw could be the difference between you being mediocre or at the top of your game

Brett

[Mik]

And if you want to start comparing. My old MY00 STI trapped 111mph. Stock except for Power FC. Still running JDM standard boost levels. ECU tuned by Bel.

Another MY00 STI. Major mods. Big apexi turbine with external gate, 2.5L bottom end with forged pistons and rods, front mount, 1.6bar boost. Power FC tuned by CRD...this car traps 112mph. How could I not be happy with mine?

What about Butthead's BCNR33. Had the works from Japan. 2530s, 550cc injectors, full exhaust, dumps, cam gears, HKS fromt mount etc. Power FC tuned by CRD...could only trap 110mph. wrxhoon's old BCNR33 stock except for N1 turbines and Power FC trapped 121mph. Butthead had his retuned by Bel...ask him how it goes now.

Oh...did I mention that wrxhoon's car used to get 8km/litre fuel consumption?

You can't compare my car to TWO.06l. Mine has a good 200lbs on it for a start. My car runs air cond, power steering and clutch fan. I also ran my car in full street trim. Cat converter, quiet exhaust, straight optimax, only 1.3 bar boost, spare tyre etc. I know I could gain more average power by running decent fuel, putting in a bit of timing up top and pulling some fuel...but it's street car so I don't want to tune it for race fuel.

Also, in the end, I couldn't care less what power my car makes. So long as it has the response I want and has good average power, I'm happy.

Nothing against CRD at all...but in the end, there's no such thing as a perfect tune, it's not rocket sience, all you can do is change AFR, timing and boost until you get the result you desire. I've always been happy with Bel, because they don't just tune for power, they take the time to make sure the response is good everywhere.

[2rismo]

Sorry but I think road tuning is a nightmarishly thick thing to do or have done. No doubting the results as many have achieved good times and made good power with road tunes but come on, safety first no?

Adrian

[NXTIME]

Once again, BEL only tune power FC's. I am sure any decent tuner who specialises in ONE particular type of ECU will be at the top of the tuning tree for that particular ECU. Their are only a handful of (Sydney) tuners that would be able to tune any car with any ECU and engine set up. I am sure that you can specifiy what type of tune that you would like the car tuned for and these tuners will oblige.

Comparing two different cars with two different sets ups and tunes isn't the same as comparing the same car with two different tunes.

A (public) road tune is good for responsiveness and drivability, but I don't like the low safety aspect of it - no matter which road is used.

[williamsf1]

what about the way the car is driven on the road tune, what governs the thrash factor? I would be really nervous about someone going full tilt in my GTR without knowing them personally? does anyone here drive the car for the road tune with BEL? or do you just leave the car in the lap of the gods and pray it comes back with tyres clutch and engine

I am leaning towards BEL right now, but want to be sure!

[Demon]

Are most people leaning towards BEL coz of the price factor now???

As BU5TER said, you need to get a car tuned by a number of tuners before you can compare. I guess I was intially asking if anyone out there had the same car tuned at different shops for a better comparison.

It sounds as though both CRD and BEL get a good wrap but money is a big factor here.

Also, I don't like the road tune...it's too unsafe...Especially at the speeds reached by these cars.

[7heavn]

My car came from Japan with a tuned factory ecu, I was to scared to keep it because of the myth about there better fuel etc so for the couple of months I had it before I bought a power fc I was only running low boost and never knew what the factory ecu was like

I purchase a power fc and booked the car in for a tune with BEL as they had looked after me with fitting other parts and servicing the car, I let them road tune then as I was a bit concerned about road tuning only I had them finish it off on the dyno we made 280rwkw which I was happy with but then as I drove home and raced it once I felt it was lacking so I booked it back in on the dyno to do a before and after comparision with the factory ecu and power fc which I should of done from the beginning

BEL's tune made power 100rpm earlier then the factory ecu but sadly was 48rwkw less and other then the 1st 100rpm the factory ecu made more power and torque everywhere,  it ended up that the factory ecu was tuned very well and didn't show any signs of pinging or leaning out

So to cut a long story short I wasted $700-800 by the time I paid for road tune and dyno tune and dyno time as you have to pay the dyno owner aswell as BEL because they don't have a dyno all to loose power

Brett

Not wanting to start a shit fight here but is it not true alittle while after replacing the factory ecu that the engine failed ?.

[7heavn]

At the end of the day I soppose you can't go too wrong with either tuner . Another one of my pet hates is people who think they are on another level to everyone else which is the feeling I get from CRD every time I have walked into the place unless you are willing to empty your pockets. I soppose they need to do this though to sort out all the time wasters that come with running such big well known performance shop .

[BU5TER]

Not wanting to start a shit fight here but is it not true alittle while after replacing the factory ecu that the engine failed ?.

Yeah it did fail all but 2 years later after having its arse raced off for those 2 years, after we stripped the engine down it was dead stock bot end including head gasket so imo it done pretty well running consistant 11's at 128mph in full street trim and pushing 300+rwkw for that long

What times/power/mph do you run?

[NXTIME]

What times/power/mph do you run?

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