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yeah but the xforce is turbo-back, so as far as flowing more out the rear end on a budget is concerned, they're not so bad :(

Turbo to cat pipes, which for most of you will mean a single pipe (ie. non-GT-R applications) aren't exactly expensive. I would rather pay $800-900 for a new name-brand japanese exhaust (or even less for near-new of YahooJP), and spend an additional $300 on a front pipe, than buy an X-Force exhaust of unknown quality (particularly after the mentions of poor welds and "OK" but not great fit) and sound.

LW.

Turbo to cat pipes, which for most of you will mean a single pipe (ie. non-GT-R applications) aren't exactly expensive.  I would rather pay $800-900 for a new name-brand japanese exhaust (or even less for near-new of YahooJP), and spend an additional $300 on a front pipe, than buy an X-Force exhaust of unknown quality (particularly after the mentions of poor welds and "OK" but not great fit) and sound.

LW.

Each to their own :D If i had the extra couple of hundred to throw at it at a full "known brand name" system at the time i would've done the same thing, but for my short-term plans with the car are concerned the x-force will do the trick for me :uh-huh:

If you were buying full brand name system new at average retail you'd be looking at:

Dump and front pipe ~300

Hi Flow Cat ~200

Jap-brand cat-back ~800

The Jap brand cat-back is more than i paid for my full system, hence my comment:

as far as flowing more out the rear end on a budget is concerned, they're not so bad

But yes, if you have the money and want to spend it on something with better quality, either get a custom system made up, or buy a rocommended brand name.

Anyway just my 2c :(

;)

Just my opinion...i would go for maybe the x-force dump/front pipe and hi-flow cat, but cat-back, i would go for a japanese setup, there is no comparison for the kindda sound n quality u get for wot u pay in a japanese exhaust...esp after a longer period of time, the japanese exhausts show their quality by still packing that same sound with punch as these other exhausts start to get noisier n dont perform as well...

Besides brandname, its the amount of money thats been put into the R&D of japanese products that make them better...even the materials used n all...the japanese have been meticulous abt the smallest details that improve a car's performance esp aftermarket parts..the simplest most minor differences set them apart...

The notes emitted from japanese exhausts are always sweeter....soundwise its a hell of a difference.

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