I argue when my opinion differs from that of the other person. Sometimes it's opinion, and sometimes its just stupidity on their part.
Hamilton was not penalized for losing control, and Kimi wasn't trying to pass anyone when he lost it, so if you're going to even try and engage in a debate, make sure you know what point you're trying to argue first, or continue to look foolish.
Ron Dennis knows more about racing than me, and the FIA know more about investigating cars and issuing penalties than both you and Ronnie.
The bleeding obvious was that you thought it neccessary to take the time to post that Massa only won because Kimi had a problem and let him through. Seriously, does it need to be said? No, it doesn't. If you really want to know why it's mostly you that I debate with, its because of things just like that. You come across as thinking you know more than everyone else, and see things no one else does. You regularly post your 'top 10's' after every race, in which you consistently state the most obvious things, making out that you're the only one that picked them up due to your superior analytical skills.
Amen. Yes he had already passed the car, but as I said earlier, anyone can pass anyone else if they're just going to skip the chicanes.
Almost making it stick is not making it stick, and thats why he was penalized. He tried to pass someone (good for him) and failed to complete the pass correctly. End of story.
First off, McLaren was found to have benefited from the possession of Ferrari technical data, not the other way around. Yes a Ferrari employee was involved, but he was supplying McLaren with the data they used to benefit their team, so obviously they're the ones to be penalized, while the Ferrari employee is to be dealt with personally.
As for all the penalties McLaren are getting, lets take a quick look at them shall we?
Hamilton and Kovaleinen block cars in qualifying, both are penalised.
Hamilton rams Raikkonen in the pit lane whilst KR and RK were following the rules and waiting for the pit lane to open, taking KR out of the race. Hamilton is penalized.
Kovaleinen blocks cars in qualifying, HK is penalized.
Hamilton misses a chicane as a result of a failed passing attempt and gains an advantage. LH is penalized.
All seem pretty clear cut to me, so I don't see what your whinging about.
Perhaps they should stop blocking cars in qualifying, ramming cars in the pits, and using other teams data to benefit their cars, and they won't be penalized
I can't believe your trying to blame Hamiltons pit lane error on the team. Does he drive with his eyes closed and just rely on messages from the team to tell him whats in front of him?
Yeah true, because they weren't something like 20 seconds in front after 10 or so laps....thank god Hamilton got that drive through...that coulda been close!
I love it how everyone (Hamilton fans and iTV commentators) constantly ramble on about how good it is to watch Louise drive like that, the way he locks up the brakes etc, its just amazing to watch...
I'm pretty sure that the good drivers are the ones not locking up the wheels at every braking point...
And I'm sure all of the other teams that gained positions/points as a result of McLaren's penalties are just shattered that McLaren was penalized.