Just because pat may be wrong/and is voicing an opinion that comes across as critical doesn't warrant you patronising him mate. I have a lot of respect for the club, and the comittee does a great job. obviously, there have been issues raised, and these need discussion. which is fine - as long as we are all adults about this and accord each other the courtesy of avoiding the not so subtle insults
i dont agree with pat in his implication that the execs aren't representing the members. this would be true (and unacceptable) if the committee was making decisions without consultin their member base (10 comittee representing 250ish members?). However, alot of the paid members aren't very involved in the club at all, and if it was left up to us, like you said, most shit would never get done. the execs do a good job, but you guys shouldnt be immune to criticism. how else can the club grow?
you can't please everyone true, but in the case of the hoodies atleast, i'd have liked the chance to have some input into their design. now i havent seen them personally (cos of Ash's little trick of waiting till the end of the meeting to unveil - you bastard ) but the mentions of a GTR logo dominating does dissapoint.
re: cruises, i've personally rerun many of the official cruises myself, using wayne's or mav's cruise notes. I dont see it as theft (ridiculous really). however kris and pat do have a point. these events aren't SAUvic sanctioned, or oganised. as such i object to them being used as "past events" in SAUVic meetings. the way i see it, there can be no "unofficial" SAUVic events. there are either events organised by the events guys on the committee, acting in their comittee role, or there are events organised on the forum by users. the latter aren't associated with the club even if the member organising it, just so happens to be an exec.
dont know if all that makes sense. please keep in mind, that this is my opinion. take on board waht you want to, and keep it mature
cheers yo