Ashy Larry

PC I vote for Option 3!

The same thing the police would be saying to his parents, Sir /Ma'am, Constable X from WA Police, I have some news that I need to pass on regarding your son X, Unfortunately an accident has occurred and your son X is deceased after colliding with a tree. Speed and a lack of thought have contributed to his death. I am sorry for your loss. I am by no way being biased to you Nic, All I am stating is that we have 9 million and one threads on these forums about Hoon Laws and Police and Accidents, 2 out of the 3 above would not happen if the people involved were presenting to an a appropriate location, be it Drift, Drag or Track. It is a shame that an accident has occurred, But what started this all was a comparative about safe cars and non safe cars. I like Brad have got the view that driver error is the major factor in 90% of prangs. Hence, driver training and track , drift and drag events help out in this, by getting people off the roads and into a safe environment And trying and to change the mindset

Nope! Been driving since I was 9 on the farm, Dad got me into Dirt bike racing and then Go Karts. I have never needed to skid or race on the road.... Now have CAMs Licence and hit Bar Bag Ello whenever I am home.

1. Your impression has kept you off the track, as well as how many others ? 2. It has nothing to do with any of those points you have listed. Drivers Mentality needs to have money spent on it! Like I said before, It is the Human Factor that takes a car from in control to out of control!!!!

Before this thread goes completely off the rails, I will just throw something out there... In response to Nic's post. Your comments Nic "I think we're being as bad as police here. Assuming he was being an idiot, because it was a Skyline. Remember, innocent until proven guilty. I've left some rubber on the kerbs on wet days where I've looked away from a straight road for "two seconds", and no, not in any HPVs" Ieatpelicans first hand overview of the accident site "just went and had a look at the crash scene. you can see the rubber and subsequent chalk marks by the coppers on the median strip. Then, skid marks across the road, then nothing, then about 15 meters away, there are three impact points about ranging from a metre to 3 metres above the ground in three pine trees" At what point did the car take control away from the driver? Or for a better question, At what point did the driver lose control of the vehicle? Gulity or Innocent, This comes back to Driver input and not car design as per Rhys's argument Nic's Comments "Motorplex launch a drag every 60 seconds, but look at how many cars rock up most nights, you don't exactly get alot of runs. Barbagallo puts alot of people off entering drift practice because of its fees, and need of a CAMS license, as well as the other shit you need just to go for a quick slide. Yeah, safety is a first, but there's no denying, all those costs add up, and unless you have a decent income, its out of the picture. By the time you drive to Collie, you're already down, you still need to be nice to your pig, unless you want to fork out more cash and time to have it towed all the way back to Perth. Im also completely against driving like a wanker on public roads, especially in city limits, but at the end of the day, knowing how much easier it is to drop 2nd into a corner or drag a car off a green light, its tempting not to, rather than put in the effort to do it legally." I fail to see how a $65 - $80 Cams Licence for 12 months and $135 for a No Limits event is even close to a) Killing Someone b) a $500 Fine and no car for 7 Days c) a Criminal Conviction against your name for the rest of your life, not to mention the guilt of having killed someone for a drag at a green light. If you believe that 4 - 5 Runs at Kwinana is not enough for you per week due to the numbers, Head back the following week, it still turns out cheaper than a fine or the other two points above. It takes me 40- 50 Minutes to get to Bar-bag-ello but I see it as a small price to pay, to go hard in a safe controlled environment for 5 hours. This conversation will always turn into an argument, as people are entitled to their own opinion. However at no point can you honestly say that a burn out, or a drag off at a green light is worth Killing or Injuring someone due to the costs of track fee's or licences or the amount of cars at Kwinana on a Wednesday Night. The thought process of "It will never happen to me" as well as the over confidence in some drivers abilities will always lead to the events at the top of this page. Yes I believe the hoon laws and the over policing in WA is dubious at best, But for god sake people, it is a privilege to drive a car not a right. You are driving a 1400KG Plus Missile. Act the goat and you will wear the wrath..... Simple Stump up the small amount of coin to enter a complex designed with motorsport / drift or drag in mind and get it off the streets.

WASCCC and No Limits as well as Collie and Kwinana seem to be more than enough places to vent and let loose in your car. Cheaper than a speeding fine! And in a safe environment. Once you start tracking, then you can whinge that we do not have enough tracks.. But there are more than enough locations currently for someone to get whatever they have in their system out.

As well as one's over confidence in skills......

There is no comparative connection in Rhys comments, I think Bard ha a valid point. No vehicle is safer than the other..... I got asked on my advanced drivers course in Sydney run by 1 x Mr Luff a simple question. Whilst holding up a picture of a BMW 5 series, Mr Luff asked if this particular car was an understeering or an oversteering vehicle. We were all wrong. There is only one variable in all motor vehicles.... And that is the Human Operator. It is because of the above variable that accidents happen 90% of the time. Forget comparing cars, Compare drivers. Need we have to think back to Emille Dousset back in Sydney, He took his Dad's GTR (EVLR34) out one night, Car ended up in 3 pieces with three dead. Yet in the years that Mr Dousset had the car, there was never an accident. Operator error is the clear point.

You fucking know it...... Oh, If I remember correctly..... We finished in front of you didn't we?????

Not because he is on the grass........ Because he loves the front bum! As we all do....

Gents, Warning for the thread, Any acts of criminal damage, or suggestion will not be tolerated. I have deleted two posts already in regards to this. There will be no soft warning on the next post that I feel is in line with these ridiculous comments!

Homo talk - Check Drug Slagging - Check Bogan Bashing - Check Slagging of Paul "I am so Awesome" Cornes - Check Chopping a mates grass at the track - Check Paul Brockbank Mowing Mention - Check Le Mans Start - As sure a the sun rises in the East and sets in the West it will happen.

get amongst it Danny!

Team Pit on Last Lap are now known as Team Herding Cats! More chance of Mission control clearing them to land in hell!!!!!!

Listen here turds.... you are all pissing in the wind! Team RamRod and Team Sofa King Fast are the leading teams....! But I do laugh at the attempt at humour and abuse You are all HATS!

Awesome post. Fantastic use of Driftbox and telemetry. Lines looked good. Well done, very jealous

Payments need to be in ASAP. First in, gets spots.

Easy up on the names guys, we still need to show some decorum !

Yeah

right go for it guys, Get your mates on board. We need this filled ASAP. Dont forget Medals Sausage Sizzle and the chance to grab the trophy from Bard and I if you are an SAUWA member!

Bullshit! Super clean when it comes to racing.... Always cheat; always win. The only unfair fight is the one you lose

Team RamRod and Team Sofa King Fast Will be the front runners, I believe Team Chop Chop might be in contention there as well... other than that, everyone else is fighting for minor placing

Congrats MW.... You f**king beauty !

No licence needed. Just need a credit card.

Hmmmm Might need to tone it down a touch. There will be kids and other people there, if it was a closed track maybe....