Up To 20% Fuel Savings, Up To 15% More Power!

[R33_Rob]

They claim to give you up to 20% fuel savings, up to 15% more power!

What do you guys think of hiclones?

here is a link to there website

http://www.hicloneqld.com/

Im assuming there dont work because i never here of anyone on this forum using them

[AzzurrA]

*laughs uncontrollably*

i wouldn't touch them with a 60 foot bargepole

how can creating a restriction in the inlet be BETTER for performance?

[Kozeyekan]

I can kind of see the theory behind this.

Liquids and gasses can move better into a tube when in a vortex. A quick demonstration is to fill up a coke bottle with water, and then turn it upside down, you get the bubbles coming up, and water coming out in bursts, but spin it around to create a vortex, and it pours out much easier.

I imagine that this theory is to get the air spinning inside the pipes means that it'll all be at a constant speed, not banging against the pipe walls at bends in a pipe.

Having said all that, the device looks to be too restrictive to actually work. I expect any increase in performance would be more due to the K & N filter allowing more air in than the stock air box, rather than the vortex making device.

Also, a turbo DOES send the air spinning in a vortex, so it's a bit redundant.

I award the inventor no points, and may god have mercy on his soul.

[Busky2k]

Its complete rubbish. Do you think the air is still swirling once it passes the throttle body? Then into the plenum and then into the runners/head?

Ha! I call BS.

[GTAAAH]

Yehhhh its great, turbonator.com is another set peddling these. Even autobarn has fans for placement after a POD, same theory or something

Any way these things are hilarious and the only means any one has of backing them up is a study on vortex's and airflow that was never actually applied to the product

as busty 2k said, airflows gonna just get messed up later anyway

Hmm interesting to note that the turbonator site have a testimony of a guy with a twin supercharged chrysler saying there great and then in there products page they say that they dont work on forced induction cars

Edited August 31, 2006 by r32 gts-turbo

[mad082]

the theory is correct. air does move faster when spinning. however there are things that work against it in cars, like AFMs and o2 sensors.

they would give a power increase if they were place in various places in the exhaust.

[r33bob]

where are these things located when installed?

like is it between the air filter and AFM or after the AFM?

[2rismo]

3 words.

TOILET

EXHAUST

FAN

[SECURITY]

ive got an exhaust fan in my toilet too!

anyways, its a complete load of crap. i read some REAL testamonies (type turbonator review in google) and they all said it was complete rubbish.

there is an air filter that makes the air swirl into the intake, but i forget which one exactly. the apexi design is good too.

[TokyoTaxi]

From what I understand, in something like a turbo diesel patrol these things might work quite well when placed at the inlet of the inlet manifold. There is no throttle body to cause any disturbance, so after the air has come out of the turbo, and through the intercooler, it flows virtually unihibited, all the way to the valves.

Aparently, putting one of these things in at the inlet of the inlet manifold causes a cyclonic effect with the air, which allows it to flow into the combustion chamber better than normal.

Now, one thing that I think that may come into play with this theory is that a typical diesel engine's max rpm is no more than about 4,000rpm with an emphasis on low end torque, not high end power. With that in mind, the cyclonic effect "may" actually have a chance of making a difference. But with an engine that's pulling 7,000rpm and almost the reverse power requirements, I don't think it would get the chance to make much of a difference.

But, imagine building 6 low restriction versions, which sit in your inlet manifold runners, guiding swirling, pressurised air into your engine's combustion chamber. Maybe there's some benefit in that ?!?!

I've been interested in the theory for a while so I've done a little investigation but not enough to give any enlightening answers. But either way, I like to consider new things as opposed to putting $hit on them, because "if" you can get something like this to work on turbo-charged engines ( eg RB whatever ) with minor mods required to fit, you might just end up a very wealthy person.

Anyway, I just like to banter these theories around, You never know where it might lead

[Busky2k]

Yes but it would have to be put after the throttle body to be of any 'benefit' to a petrol motor. Obviously any 'swirling' that occurs will be disrupted by the partially closed T/B. A better place would be in the intake manifold runners themselves where the swirling air would mix with the fuel injector spray.

OEM's like Subaru have already done something like this. Suby for example call it the 'tumble generator valve' however I believe some people remove them on high HP motors because they cause restriction even when disabled. Heres a diagram;

http://www.drivesubaru.com/Win03/Win03_Man...Engine_Idle.jpg

http://www.drivesubaru.com/Win03/Win03_Man...gine_NoIdle.jpg

Edited September 1, 2006 by Busky2k