Police Correspondence

[Dohmar]

Thanks Carl,

I also believe Heslo should be there. He helped out with writing the email last night, and was the one who prompted me to write a second letter.

+1 for heslo, because he nominated me. paybacks a bitch son ;D

-D

[Rocky88]

Like it or not, this wont end well, he's just trying to lure all your cars to one place so he can defect them one by one,

I find this part particularly hilarious:

how we can make relations between Skylines Australia and SA Police better

You're making it sound like these are some sort of negotiations like between two countries. SA police doesn't need and doesn't want better relations with us. They just want all skylines off the road because in eyes of them we are all hoons, even those of you who you call yourself "mature members". And that's all. Cooperating with police wont help a tiny little bit, if anything it will make it worse.

I dont see point of cops in organized cruises, because we all know that there's no hooning going on on organized cruises anyway, so the only other thing cops would do on cruises would be handing out the defects, and believe me there would be plenty of them, many of them "justified".

Defects will always exist and I'm probably the only single person on this forum that has put up with this and manages to live with it and get own with my life. Fortunately neil is the only cop I have bad experiences with and I found most other cops quite nice... but I'm pretty much done with neil.

[Madaz]

this is good news

keep it up

[MissR34]

i think we all need to not assume anything and just and wait and see what the outcome of all of this is..........

lets not put any negatitve energy towards it and keep it all positive - no matter what your experiences are.

[SLED]

Careful Rok, I've cleaned up the first part of your post and contemplated deleting the whole thing.

I know it's just a knee jerk reaction to how you say you were handled, but unless you know something that we don't, then it's just hearsay bud!

[M I K E]

i agree with the point of cruises being the last place that 'hooning' will occur, there is much greater risk of harm by those that drive 'spiritedly' in the hills or industrials.

i don't agree with the point of people saying they get picked on for driving stock looking vehicles - more often than not they (stock cars) are either younger/inexperienced drivers that drive like stains and could only afford a stock car.. the ones that throw their cars around corners in peak hour etc or they are the older drivers that don't want the attention of a prettied up car because of what they are packing under the bonnet. police know the theory behind sleepers so they'll also pull over an outwardly standard car even if you drive like a granny.

i, for one, drive a 'prettied up' car. it's standard engine wise but looks good - what i like in a daily - but it's annoying to be put in the same category as the twats that are a menace on public roads. this is something i have to deal with, it's part of driving the cars we do

Edited January 13, 2009 by M I K E

[Stagstock]

Yes "suspected" defects are very real, and it comes down to the fact that not every police officer is a qualified mechanic which leads to regulations such as the "suspected defects". They will quote the 'better to be safe than sorry', but really just translates into real world lanquage as 'better to charge em money than not to'.

There are really only three things at play when import owners get defected besides the driver being a D'head.

1. Public perceptions, we are seen as a danger to the roads thanks to a select few morons that have clearly labelled us as such.

2. Revenue raising.

3. The always annoying, officer power trip.

Almost any reason you are given a defect besides it being legitimate will boil down at some point to one of those facts. It's unfortunate but something we have to try to turn around.

Edited January 13, 2009 by Stagstock

[CRoNic...]

+1 Howie. I've also had experiences with my local police... most have been good and a small handful have been difficult.

I even got pulled over by a decent girl cop the other week when I was driving the GTR. Did a license check + bretho + plate check, all came up fine, and on my way I went. Didn't get asked one question about any defects... and I even did a stupid thing of making it look like I was trying to avoid the cop car (turned into the street she was trying to turn out of)... but I actually had to drive down that street lol.

And props to SAPOL employing some talent! This cop was pretty decent on the eye lol.

But, back to the subject...

Also, is it possible to maybe see which suburb is more of a 'defect hotspot'? Meaning, maybe there's a trend and one suburb have a lot more defects than others...

[Rocky88]

Careful Rok, I've cleaned up the first part of your post and contemplated deleting the whole thing.

I know it's just a knee jerk reaction to how you say you were handled, but unless you know something that we don't, then it's just hearsay bud!

I see I'm just pissing against wind again... just because I have a different opinion than the rest of you I'm about to get savaged by everyone.

But then again I'm not trying to force you my opinions... if you feel the need for it, go ahead and invite neil on your cruises. Might not turn out as a bad thing, but probably wont turn out as a good thing either. Either way I'm way to busy to go on cruises, so whatever you decide won't affect me.

BTW, I fail to find the part of my post you deleted... looks exactly like the post I wrote...

[heslo]

Not once has it been stated that Neil/SAPOL is being invited on cruises, that's not what this is about

[M I K E]

on the topic of defects, regency is still struggling to cope with the sheer number of defected cars being sent through. they were open on a few saturdays towards the end of last year as they couldn't cope with the normal 5 day week. i believe this in itslef suggests that perhaps the option of 'major defect' is too commonly abused on trivial suspicion.

i think i remember reading somewhere recently about workshops being given the option to pay a sum of money in order inspect defected vehicles and clear them like interstate. i believe it was around the 10k mark for a license to do so but with the rate and number of cars being defected i'm sure it would pay itself back in no time with inspection fees

sorry to throw the topic off track slightly, feel free to remove it if it sidetracks the thread too much

[Stagstock]

Well judging by the quick responses atleast it looks like this is a subject that involves everyone.

Just out of curiosity, has there been a police presence on any of the cruises other than the last STagea cruise? Or is this all sparked from that one cruise that he attended.

Edited January 13, 2009 by Stagstock

[heslo]

Good point Mike, brings into question that there is a NEED for a proper modification scheme in regards to vehicles

[CRoNic...]

Has anyone read the NSW or Vic forums on here? I know there's a cop who's a member and who often participates in that sub-forum and provides advice/answers law/cop/defect related questions.

Obviously, it's done in his spare time... but that might be beneficial for us to have Neil on board? There's nothing he can't see being a Guest, anyway...

Edited January 13, 2009 by CRoNic...

[Rocky88]

Not once has it been stated that Neil/SAPOL is being invited on cruises, that's not what this is about

...in the first post:

Would You be content to merely show a presence at cruise events

And I didn't even bother looking further posts.

[SLED]

you seem to have a select memory Rok.......I deleted the 2nd half of the first sentence after the unsubstantiated allegation regarding a certain officer's income.

As far as your opinion goes (regardless of whether I or anyone else agrees), it is still your opinion and you are entitled to it, hence why I didn't remove the rest of your post.

[ted180]

the thing is, this needs to be put to EVERY police officer. not just 1.

there is no possible way that the entire sapol is going to agree and say 'oh thats an sau cruise, we wont defect them'.

i still think your fighting something that isnt worth it, and in turn will waste alot of peoples time.

[heslo]

I stand corrected Rok, apologies

[PREISS]

Some people are saying they've been pulled over with no defects. breatho, few checks etc. Then on their way.

Thats fine. But dont you get annoyed that your always getting pulled over for no reason.

We must have the cleanest cars out there. We look after everything (most of us). battery enclosure, oil leaks, etc etc etc.

I wouldnt mind that being put forward also.

Suspected defects are really a joke. I 'suspect' all datsuns with rust are defectable./

Rok. your not the only one thats been through regency and got on with life. Like you stated.

I went thru for the fourth time last month.

Im 26, dont cruise, dont hoon.

[RubyRS4]

For the record, the police were never "invited" to my cruises. They turned up and we played fair. But thats not the view that some members had. In any case, like Kell, I'm done with cruises. There was more to the story and we were preventing from having our say. But for what its worth, I had no problem with the police turning up. Got something to hide? Leave your car in the garage for the rest of its life ... or shut up and just drive.

Which is the issue I'd like Nene to proxy for me at the meeting: true car enthusiasts respect the law, but we are also aware it is hard for them to identify the true car enthusiast. Some kind of honesty system (such as mod plates) should be employed, to show the enthusiasts who want to follow the rules, but still like to mod their car. Alot of owners are not out to modify their car to go fast, drift or drag race traffic. Just like you'd renovate your house to suit your taste, so too do car owners mod to their taste. If the mods are unsafe, then a defect is warranted. If the mod is minor, then depending on the mod, a warning is fair. But if there is nothing to defect, then there is no reason to defect. The biggest issue is what do police consider a defect? This varies from officer to officer and its the luck of the draw who you get pulled over by ... this is not how the law should be. Its not entirely fair to send a car to Regency on suspicion of a defect. But who decides? Let mod plates do the talking.

I also vote Kellie to attend the meeting, due to her reputation with the police, her knowledge and experiences with cruises, and because love her or hate her, she's done the best things for SAU SA. Due to her reputation with SAU SA, it would look weak if Kell was not attending the meeting. The Police reps would wonder why she's not standing by a club who are meant to be as innocent as it claims to be.

My 2c worth.