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Hey guys,

On the weekend my mate and I looked at an Evo 7 with a claimed ~55,000km on the dash. The car had papers stating it was imported in August (auction sheet) and full log books of all services back in Japan. They all seemed legit, however they were in Japanese.

The car however looked like it had done 150,000km. Poor paint condition, brake paint had almost entirely faded, and interior looked worn. The gear knob was more heavily worn than my '95 Supra. The engine was also making a stranging clicking noise when the car revved, it was noticable only in the cabin. Outside the car, or even sticking your head in the engine bay you couldn't hear it.

It was rather dissapointing, as the car was dead stock, low ks and with logbooks to back it up. Is it possible the books were forged, or are some owners just really sloppy in looking after their car? Is it worth getting this car checked out by a mechanic? Everything about it screamed warning signs, but the fact it had all the books is so rare and IMO very important.

For the record the auction sheet said it was a 4.5 B.

Thanks.

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Iron Chef Grand Master

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Hey guys,

On the weekend my mate and I looked at an Evo 7 with a claimed ~55,000km on the dash. The car had papers stating it was imported in August (auction sheet) and full log books of all services back in Japan. They all seemed legit, however they were in Japanese.

The car however looked like it had done 150,000km. Poor paint condition, brake paint had almost entirely faded, and interior looked worn. The gear knob was more heavily worn than my '95 Supra. The engine was also making a stranging clicking noise when the car revved, it was noticable only in the cabin. Outside the car, or even sticking your head in the engine bay you couldn't hear it.

It was rather dissapointing, as the car was dead stock, low ks and with logbooks to back it up. Is it possible the books were forged, or are some owners just really sloppy in looking after their car? Is it worth getting this car checked out by a mechanic? Everything about it screamed warning signs, but the fact it had all the books is so rare and IMO very important.

For the record the auction sheet said it was a 4.5 B.

Thanks.

Yes and yes...post up the auction sheet if you have it there.

mattyneweraimports Proficient

mattyneweraimports

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Wish I did, the guy lived an hour and a half away and I didn't think to take photos at the time.

If you have a pic of the auction sheet

Il translate it for you

Most evos are tappy

4 b grade should be ok

But it's still common to have that type of grade still not up to par

Iron Chef Grand Master

Iron Chef

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Auction Grades don't mean jack anymore, unless its a 5A.

The classifications handed out at the Japanese auctions are loose and far from an accurate indicator of the vehicles actual quality.

That theory actually applies in both directions too - I've seen cars get lumped with a 3 that should've been 4 or 4.5, although normally it's the other way around :verymad:

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Auction Grades don't mean jack anymore, unless its a 5A.

The classifications handed out at the Japanese auctions are loose and far from an accurate indicator of the vehicles actual quality.

Exactly. The car I most recently imported was a grade 4.5 B. Think that rating was a bit too generous. It definitely isn't a grade 4.5 body and B is a bit generous for the interior condition. My grade 4 R34 a whole 5 years older at the time was in better condition.

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I think grading system differs from auction to auction. My opinion HAA kobe has the strictest grading. USS 's grading has gone down the hill in recent years. BAYAUC is another good auction but the cars in good auctions are bit more expensive than USS.

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