Queensland SAU members club suggestion box

[predator]

I could say more.. but I'll just skip straight to the end. This is not an attack, just some constructive criticism of what may help things in future.

The club as a "club" has to operate a bit like a democracy for it to be successful. I think just at the moment there is a bit of a general perception (correct or not) that its been run a bit as a Dictatorship up until now. With people making decisions and others not having privvy to that or how the decisions are being made. Not of course knocking those who have gone out of their way to organise things, which have been successful.

People need to have input, or at least feel like they can input, or the masses get restless. And I think this is maybe what we've seen in the past, or recently.

I think the mountain run / shenanigans / etc which have caused controversy will be settled quite simply. So that shouldn't pose to be a problem with SAU in the future. And I do know there has been a bit of animosity between those that have participated in those and others who don't wish to participate. Its a fair call - SAU should be for 100% legal activities only.

[chaos]

Would be good to have an executive rock up to meets...could be a way to discuss problems/events/likes/dislikes in person rather than via phone or pm, its just a much more personal way and thus being they can get to know the financial members better on a more social basis rather than by nickname and car. Obviously most people have commitments outside the club like family and work. I would suggest trying to get members with more flexible time or someone who plans ahead and knows when there free and when there not.

I would like to see events where people such as myself who dont have a license be able to take part in events, like as mark suggested gokarting although Mike's efforts to organise a kart day were great, he's struggling to get numbers. What about starting poll to see what events people want?? rather than taking stabs in the dark at what they may like. At least with these types of events family members can get involved.

Anyway there my thoughts.

[NismoGirl]

I personally believe that at least one executive should be at each "major" event. Thursday nights are cool if no one turns up, cause it's jsut a meet and greet and drive, nothing major.

But on a more serious note like the "massive skyline cruises" and the dyno day, not one executive turned up. I was actually quite cranky at that. Especially on the last MSC where there were 77 potential members for the club and no exec showed? Even if the club wasn't finalised, it still would have been a great marketing point to hand out flyers on the current state of the club.

I'm sorry to say, but I agree with Adrian and others on the whole "exec's not showing" at events thing. Even if you don't like a cruise down the coast, jump in someone elses car so you don't have to drive. And it's not that hard to stand around and watch cars get dynoed (specifically being a sponor's workshop and no exec shows). I understand people are busy and have lives/family, but we aren't all asking for all three to show, just one.

Just my 2cents too.

[Ska]

"To lead the people, walk behind them. For the best leaders, people do not notice their existence. When the best leader's work is done, the people say, "We did it ourselfs.""

-- Lao-Tsu

"Be interested in the people whom you serve and your life will be happy"

-- King Akathol of Egypt

[strutto]

An event like this could be fun:

http://www.skylinesaustralia.com/forums/sh...232&postcount=1

[Revhead]

Hmmm.... thoughts?

[Ska]

Jackass Cruise Type Scavenger Hunt ................................................. ?

[AzzurrA]

sounds like that could be interesting... makes you use ur brain, instead of the loud pedal

[Ska]

Or Use Your Powers of Stupidity, I would win then

[chaos]

with charly a close 2nd

[NismoGirl]

I like the idea of that cruise

[wados]

sounds good to me

so adrian are you putting your hand up to plan it

build it and they (me) will come

[chaos]

yeh ado, Mr Organised

[Revhead]

I've posted up a thread in Events re a cruise out west toward Warwick/Toowoomba, if you're interested in that, feel free to comment. The short version: cruise with plenty of stops and photo opportunities, families invited

I'd thought about making it one of these 'follow the clue' events, but a cruise out west doesn't really give too much scope due to lots of nothing for long periods of time, and the danger of being stranded miles away from anyone if you miss a clue or something. Offer suggestions or just ignore me, either way I'll be listening

[slip]

chaos - seems you are implying that there is something untoward about me opening up the position now that we have launched. Please elaborate we would all love to hear it.

strutto - in trying to make a point in favour of me/an executive member being at all/most events, you've actually done the opposite. Yes you expect the president to attend parliament, but do you expect him to attend the local 'young liberals' or 'gold coast city council annual general meeting?' ...... no.

I love the dictatorship comment, that is one of the best things i've read in ages. to quote predator : "With people making decisions and others not having privvy to that or how the decisions are being made." What decisions are you talking about? You must be seriously paranoid, as this is one of the most insane things i've heard in a while. We had to stop mountain runs being organised on here, but thats it. I cannot think of any other decision we have had to make like that recently anyway, let alone any that would make this seem like a dictatorship!? When was the last time a decision by the SAU excecutive affected you in a negative fashion, dictator style? That comment is actually quite funny, as all we have done is hook up sponsors, get shirts sorted, get registered as a non-profit organisation etc. What we have been doing is called working and spending money to give you all what you want. Dictatorship.....yep, that Gary guy sure does make a lot of draconian laws and boss everyone around and make life hell......

The lack of appreciation for having access to discounts for brakes, tyres (qld wide), mechanical, parts, and even the purchase of a car as a members so overwhelming, thank you.

[chaos]

Fine i will say what i know some people have been thinking.

Your not well liked slip, im sorry to say, Here you go on about how much time/effort/money you have along with gary put into this club and simply give up once its done.

and what right do you have to have a go at strutto like that, as erin said NOT 1 exec. rocked up to the big skyline cruise, NOT 1 exec. rocked up to the dyno day which im quite sure erin put a hard effort in to organising with our sponser, what kind of leadership is that??? Is it too much of a hassle to come and say hi and hang around for 30mins or so and mingle with YOUR financial members, members who some have been waiting a very long time to see this club finnaly on its feet and going.

I am saying what is on my mind and has been for a very long time, I DONT LIKE YOU, you simply crossed the line (yes im bringing this back up) when i was singled out for not owning a skyline.

here you go

I DONT OWN A CAR AT ALL.

When i first signed up i asked you when the club will be official.. you said a few months, this was almost 2 years ago.

Now go ahead say what you think about me i couldnt honestly care anymore.

[Ska]

You guys are going about this all wrong, slip and gary must have done a lot of work that no one else voluenteered for and now that we are seeing the fruits of their labour, we condem them, not too good a look I have to say.

I am not saying that anyone is doing anything right or wrong, but at the moment all we are doing is trying to move the club forward by pulling it in a million different directions all at once, why dont we just all try to pull it in the same direction, wouldn't that be easier?

[predator]

time a decision by the SAU excecutive affected you in a negative fashion, dictator style? That comment is actually quite funny, as all we have done is hook up sponsors, get shirts sorted, get registered as a non-profit organisation etc. What we have been doing is called working and spending money to give you all what you want. Dictatorship.....yep, that Gary guy sure does make a lot of draconian laws and boss everyone around and make life hell......

ba!! you totally take it in the the wrong way. What I was getting at is for the last 6 months since i have been up here, I have not seen one "who might you want to suggest as sponsors so they can be approached?", "who is going to be the assume core roles or what might those roles?", "what activities would you like the club to take?", and the like. These decisions to me, were made with absolutely zero consultation with those other than yourself, Revhead, and Gary. I am not saying they are in the wrong or negative decisions, but simply that is what it appears to be a autocracy.. And I still have not noticed "ok, now the club is established, this is how you can all participate in the future direction if you wish to do so" or this is how you can choose who does lead the club in future. Its just opening up the process for others to participate in which has been lacking.

anyhow, this is all pointless from whatever side. Like Ska is saying, lets move on and think of some positive things.

[krawler]

strutto - in trying to make a point in favour of me/an executive member being at all/most events, you've actually done the opposite. Yes you expect the president to attend parliament, but do you expect him to attend the local 'young liberals' or 'gold coast city council annual general meeting?' ...... no.

I really dont think he (or erin) was suggesting you should be at every thursday meet, or even attend a full "special event"... But just someone waving the flag and showing up, even if just at the meeting point for a few minutes, would be some good P.R. I reckon?

I love the dictatorship comment, that is one of the best things i've read in ages. to quote predator : "With people making decisions and others not having privvy to that or how the decisions are being made." What decisions are you talking about? You must be seriously paranoid, as this is one of the most insane things i've heard in a while. We had to stop mountain runs being organised on here, but thats it. I cannot think of any other decision we have had to make like that recently anyway, let alone any that would make this seem like a dictatorship!? When was the last time a decision by the SAU excecutive affected you in a negative fashion, dictator style? That comment is actually quite funny, as all we have done is hook up sponsors, get shirts sorted, get registered as a non-profit organisation etc. What we have been doing is called working and spending money to give you all what you want. Dictatorship.....yep, that Gary guy sure does make a lot of draconian laws and boss everyone around and make life hell......

The lack of appreciation for having access to discounts for brakes, tyres (qld wide), mechanical, parts, and even the purchase of a car as a members so overwhelming, thank you.

AFAIK ... The decisions people wanted to be involved in were exactly what you've just mentioned ... sponsors, club name, shirt design, etc. Seeming as though I've only recently started spending any time in here (after a long period of absence) I dont know how much input everyone had over those decisions.

Not that the decisions have affected anyone in a negative way, but once you start giving money for something you take a lot more of an interest, and like to give a lot more constructive(normally?) critisicm, towards what is being done. Once its a paid group, you like to feel your money gives you an equal right to everyone else whos paid money to have a say in whats going on. Without that option, you get cranky and whinge on teh intarweb I suppose.

Either way, I think everyone appreciates what youve done, they just want to be more in the loop is all. Even just a thread updating decisions and suggestions? Prehaps open invitation meetings every now and then? Having a rant at anyone who disagrees is not a good way to top off all the great work you've done in the past

[wados]

hat was the matter with this way for the club that way we can have atleast 1 or 2 people from the head of the club at meets or whatever, i think we do need some ore people to help run things.

but gary, slip and revhead have tried hard to get this club up and running but for us to move on and be happy, we need some more head guys in the club that can organise the meets and be there.

i understand that people have lifes outside the club but i do agree that the head guys of the club should make to the meets, or some of them