Jump to content
SAU Community

GTR Power FC "experts" wanted!!

GTS4nMore

By GTS4nMore,
in Engines & Forced Induction

 Share

Recommended Posts

GTS4nMore Enthusiast

GTS4nMore

Posted
Posted

Hi,

I have a GTR power FC which will not save it's values. You can change the value eg idle RPM & the Idle revs don't seem to change. Also after you turn off the ignition (& back on) the value you set it to is back to the previous setting.

My car is an R33 GTS4 with RB26DETT, it's running fine from a standard R33 GTR ECU.

Things I have tried:

Checked all power & earth connection to the ECU as per nissan wiring diagram - OK

Tried another PFC with my hand controller in my car - has the same problem

Yet to try:

My PFC in another car

Another Hand Controler with My PFC

My deduction so far is that it is either the car's wiring or the Hand Control...

Can any body help, or know of a good workshop who could help to sort this out.

Thanks in advance.

Link to comment
https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/58003-gtr-power-fc-experts-wanted/
Share on other sites
Targa Tom Proficient

Targa Tom

Posted
Posted
Hi,

I have a GTR power FC which will not save it's values. You can change the value eg idle RPM & the Idle revs don't seem to change. Also after you turn off the ignition (& back on) the value you set it to is back to the previous setting.

My car is an R33 GTS4 with RB26DETT, it's running fine from a standard R33 GTR ECU.

Things I have tried:

Checked all power & earth connection to the ECU - OK

Tried another PFC with my hand controller in my car - has the same problem

Yet to try:

My PFC in another car

Another Hand Controler with My PFC

My deduction so far is that it is either the car's wiring or the Hand Control...

Can any body help, or know of a good workshop who could help to sort this out.

Thanks in advance.

Probabley locked by Excel tuner... find a Datalogit owner and they can unlock it for you... It won't cost over $1000.

Oh, you say two different PFC's do the same thing? Well thats a different story.

Will it accept a change to the ignition or fuel map?

TT

GTS4nMore Enthusiast

GTS4nMore

Posted
  • Author
Posted

Thanks Tom, I think it was you who suggest before it may be locked.

I took it to croydon & had Jim check it out, he said when it's locked that you cannot even access the fuel map menu etc.

Mine is all there, it just won't save. :(

Sydneykid Grand Master

Sydneykid

Posted
Posted
Hi,

I have a GTR power FC which will not save it's values. You can change the value eg idle RPM & the Idle revs don't seem to change. Also after you turn off the ignition (& back on) the value you set it to is back to the previous setting.

My car is an R33 GTS4 with RB26DETT, it's running fine from a standard R33 GTR ECU.

Things I have tried:

Checked all power & earth connection to the ECU - OK

Tried another PFC with my hand controller in my car - has the same problem

Yet to try:

My PFC in another car

Another Hand Controler with My PFC

My deduction so far is that it is either the car's wiring or the Hand Control...

Can any body help, or know of a good workshop who could help to sort this out.

Thanks in advance.

You have to save the changes, have a look at the Commander Manual it shows you the steps.:)

GTS4nMore Enthusiast

GTS4nMore

Posted
  • Author
Posted

I'm pretty sure I'm saving the settings as per the manual, Jim from Croydon Autosports also confirmed that the values are not being saved. He blamed the wiring.

Tomorrow I will try swapping HC & PFC into a known working GTR & see what I can work out.

S/N of PFC PFC-RB26-9605-0349

S/N of HC FCC-NT9605-0366

I'm guessing that the "9605" means that they should be matched.

RPMGTR Community Regular

RPMGTR

Posted
Posted

You'll find it is the wiring in the vehicle to the ECU that is the problem....

A couple of the pinouts require permanent power and then there is a shutdown sequence where the ign switch power is shut off to certain pinout and then the ECU then saves settings and turns itself off. Any change in this power down sequence,(different wiring, alarms, immobilisers)wil cause the symptoms you describe.

Similiar to pulling the plug on a windows based PC rather than shutting it down correctly....

cheers.

GTS4nMore Enthusiast

GTS4nMore

Posted
  • Author
Posted

RPMGTR, looks like you are correct.

I tried my PFC&Commander in a real GTR today, Thanks to NVDAGTR :P , & it worked fine :(

I noted all of the pins on the ECU which had power, now I can test this in my car & hopefully find the variance....

It's strange how the factory ECU works without whatever is different!

Emre Proficient

Emre

Posted
Posted
RPMGTR, looks like you are correct.

LOL... How many times have I heard that before...?

The difference with the stock ECU is that, it doesn't have to save any changes, as it's not programmable.

AFAIK, there is no save function with the commander, it applies the changes as soon as you change any parameter. The changes are saved when the ignition is turned off, which explains your problem.

Is the GTS4 wiring same as the GTR wiring...?

GTS4nMore Enthusiast

GTS4nMore

Posted
  • Author
Posted
Is the GTS4 wiring same as the GTR wiring...?

Would I be having this problem if it was???

I was just hoping that if people had heard of this problem or experienced it so many times they could say something like "yes, pin XX needs contant power for the data to be saved".

Hopefully I can sort it on the weekend & post the results here for future reference.

Emre Proficient

Emre

Posted
Posted

According to this site (click), most of the Nissan ECUs share the same pinouts.

Your problem is that RB26 transplants in an R33 GTS4 is not very common, give SDU a try as well. Different models of skylines are more prominent there.

Good luck on the weekend.

GTS4nMore Enthusiast

GTS4nMore

Posted
  • Author
Posted

The Weekend has been a success :wassup:

Pin 16 & the ECCS relay power supply turned out to be the culprits

You don't know how long I have been trying to solve this.... very frustrating :)

Attached are my finding for all those who have this problem in the future.

Thanks again to NVDAGTR for letting my try my PFC in his car :)

Targa Tom Proficient

Targa Tom

Posted
Posted

just had a response from the Datalogit forum from an SR20 punter who had experienced the same problem!!!

Do you have a wiing diagram - or the rest of the one above. I have'nt seen one so clear before.

TT

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
 Share
Go to topic listing


  • Similar Content

  • Latest Posts

    • nash47
      Cas issue

      By nash47 · Posted

      Did and sync timing with light 
    • MBS206
      Cas issue

      By MBS206 · Posted

      Have you done the Ignition Sync Wizard in the AEM software?
    • MBS206
      R32 GTS (RB20DE) Injectors Replacement

      By MBS206 · Posted

      Find out what RPM it was idling at with the IACV unplugged. It's very weird that the rpm didn't change at all, and then it stalled. When it stalls is it nearly like a switch off, like you've turned the engine off? Or is it more stutters and sputters and coughs to death over a few seconds? Or does the RPM just slowly keep going down and down? Have you done a test of trying to start it with the AFM unplugged? Does it still die?     If you Follow Josh's advice on using Nistune to check the voltages (which is a perfect method!) if you see anything out of wack voltage wise, THEN get the multimeter out and read the voltage directly at the sensor. If the two vary, then you're now looking for a wiring issue vs a sensor issue. So be aware, what the ECU sees, may not be what the sensor is actually saying too...
    • MBS206
      RB25DE NEO with Haltech ECU

      By MBS206 · Posted

      You very likely need to get it on a dyno and tune it. My assumption is, you've got an RB25DET tune in it, which has a different manifold, different injectors, and different cams as a minimum. What O2 sensor are you running?   When you say it runs extremely rich from idle all the way to redline, is this just free revving it you see that?
    • Haggerty
      RB25DE NEO with Haltech ECU

      By Haggerty · Posted

      I seem to the be only person that is using a Haltech 2500 on an NA motor, I've installed a Bosch DBW throttle body to the OEM intake manifold and am having problems maintaining AFR even with the wideband o2.  It will run extremely rich at idle and up to redline, but under load it will go extremely lean in the 20s and i'm essentially having to rev it over 4k and feather the clutch to get it up to speed.  I've read a few other threads of about the butterfly, it seems removing the vacuum to it is supposed to have it remain open, i've noticed no difference under 4k with the vacuum line to it plugged.  I'm hoping someone here has had luck using the NA manifold with Haltech, and if they happen to have a tune for it.  
×
×
  • Create New...