Log Books/race Registration

[phunky_monkey]

Hey all,

Just curious as to what is needed to obtain a log book from CAMS. I ask this because I would like to have my car log booked for two reasons:

1. To clock up enough hours and have my log book stamped so that I can apply for a C3 licence at some stage in order to import a race only car

and

2. To get race rego on the car.

Now, this second point I'm not 100% clear on, but have been told that once a car has clocked up a certain number of 'track hours' that the car can be transferred to a 'race' registration enabling it to be driven to and from the track/workshop, and for testing purposes without having to apply to CAMS for a permit each time.

Have I got this right, or am I way off...

Thanks

Dane

[hrd-hr30]

you don't need to own a log booked car to get a C3 licence. all the details you need are on www.cams.com.au. I don't know anything about Vic's rego requirements.

[phunky_monkey]

Really? Thanks for that mate, I'll look into it

[Duncan]

re #2, you cannot get rego on a car imported as a "race" car. No matter how many races it has done.

You can get rego on a car imported as a "rally" car which is identical process through DOTARS except that you need a NR CAMS license instead of NC. Once you have NR you can get NC by doing an online lecture and paying the upgrade fee about $150. All the details for getting NC and NR are on the cams website, but basically once you have PC (formerly C3) you need to do 6 races in a 12 month period and be observered at those events.

In NSW once you have either a complied or a rally import car, you can apply for rally rego. You need a L2S or higher license only for rego, a log booked car with either full compliance or rally import approval, a safety inspection by a CAMS approved rally scruitineer and a heap of patience when you get to the RTA

In NSW if you have rally rego you can:

Drive and in to CAMS events

Drive to and from Practice

Drive to and from Workshops.

As long as you obtain a permit every day you want to use the car.

My GTR race car has rally rego and it is brilliant, saves trailering the car everywhere, didn't have to pay for SEVS compliance and I can use it for everything I ever need to

[88silhouette]

i am going down this path also

called cams h.q. and then got put through to cams nsw

first step before anything re log book - roll cage!!!

cams bloke basically said dont call back until you have cage installed in your car

yeehaww

[Duncan]

Hey Mark I was checking out roll cage rules with CAMS the other day too.

ANyone can make an approved cage as long as they follow:

One of the homologated designs from the CAMS book (I am using 253-17) basic 6 point cage with diagonal between top of middle hoop and bottom of side hoop.

CDS, CDW or CEW grade mild steel

Main hoop 44.45 diameter (2.5mm wall) or 50mm (2.0mm wall)

All other components 38mm diameter (2.5mm wall) or 40mm (2.0mm wall)

cold bent tubing

"highest possible quality welding with full penetration".

Once the cage is done CAMS send out the cage declaration form for the builder to sign, then it gets a ROPS registration number.

[88silhouette]

Hey Mark I was checking out roll cage rules with CAMS the other day too.

ANyone can make an approved cage as long as they follow:

One of the homologated designs from the CAMS book (I am using 253-17) basic 6 point cage with diagonal between top of middle hoop and bottom of side hoop.

CDS, CDW or CEW grade mild steel

Main hoop 44.45 diameter (2.5mm wall) or 50mm (2.0mm wall)

All other components 38mm diameter (2.5mm wall) or 40mm (2.0mm wall)

cold bent tubing

"highest possible quality welding with full penetration".

Once the cage is done CAMS send out the cage declaration form for the builder to sign, then it gets a ROPS registration number.

duncan any chance you can get me a copy/scan of that part of the book? or is is in that pdf on the cams website?

[phunky_monkey]

re #2, you cannot get rego on a car imported as a "race" car. No matter how many races it has done.

You can get rego on a car imported as a "rally" car which is identical process through DOTARS except that you need a NR CAMS license instead of NC. Once you have NR you can get NC by doing an online lecture and paying the upgrade fee about $150. All the details for getting NC and NR are on the cams website, but basically once you have PC (formerly C3) you need to do 6 races in a 12 month period and be observered at those events.

In NSW once you have either a complied or a rally import car, you can apply for rally rego. You need a L2S or higher license only for rego, a log booked car with either full compliance or rally import approval, a safety inspection by a CAMS approved rally scruitineer and a heap of patience when you get to the RTA

In NSW if you have rally rego you can:

Drive and in to CAMS events

Drive to and from Practice

Drive to and from Workshops.

As long as you obtain a permit every day you want to use the car.

My GTR race car has rally rego and it is brilliant, saves trailering the car everywhere, didn't have to pay for SEVS compliance and I can use it for everything I ever need to

Thanks for that Duncan

My car has full road rego at the moment, so transferring to rally reg shouldn't be an issue.

What is involved in obtaining a permit each time? Is it a pain, or is it an easy ph. call etc? Is there a limit to how many permits you obtain? I'd be looking at probably on average 6 days a month.

[Duncan]

Mark...yes and no got a fax number?

phunkey, in NSW it is a call to an automated service. I'm not aware of any limit at one stage I was getting 5-6 a week and never got questioned!

You need to make suer all the rules in Vic are the same they are probably similar. Call the CAMS Vic office and ask about rally rego.

[phunky_monkey]

ahhh beautiful mate, that's what I wanted to hear!

I'll enquire with CAMS here. Thanks mate

[r171]

Pretty sure that for Victorian RP cars you don't need to call up each time, as the Rally Permit is itself a 12-month UVP. You will need a R3 license or above, and not L2S+ like NSW..

With RP plates you can use the car:

- During CAMS-approved rallies, including SS and transport stages

- Travelling to and from a rally, and its scrutineering

- To and from Workshops

In addition to this, you can also use the car in testing for an approved rally, but you must apply to CAMS for a letter which states that testing is permitted.

But yep, the process for applying for a Vic rally permit this will be the same as NSW.. in that u will need a cage with ROPS registration number, as well as the car logbooked and scrutineered by a CAMS official before it can be registered.

Edited June 23, 2006 by r171

[phunky_monkey]

cool, thanks for that R171

So I take it that it doesn't cover club sprint etc?

[Liz]

So from what I understand you need a C3 (PC) licence to import a car for race/rally use, but you can't get CAMS rego until you have a NR/NC licence?

[Duncan]

Nope not in NSW.

Once the car is rally imported (need an NR, not NC) you only need an L2S to register it, which is $80ish and an application form to CAMS