most rwkw with stock turbo & cooler???

[Guest TUFR33]

what do you all think you can get (rwkw) with stock turbo and cooler,and what mods will i need,i have now 173 rwkw @12 psi with mines ecu,big exhaust (no cat) pod air cleaner!!!!!!!thanks..

[MetBlue_GTST]

When i first got my Skyline all i had was a pod filter, an Apexi piggy-back F-Manage, Apexi AVC-R Gen1 EBC and a Nismo 2-way LSD... I got 190rwkw at 0.85bar....

[Gradenko]

TUFR33, rear wheel power isn't too relevant, better to talk about it in terms of power at the engine. Best guestimate for the stock turbo is in the region of 300-320bhp.

[rev210]

gradenko is right.

Rear wheel horsepower you say?

I have a dyno sheet that says 9999rwkw for my stock turbo and cooler so I win!

Who cares! Unless of course you love blow off valves and neons and are oftern heard saying things like ' fully sick bro'."

How fast is your stock turbo & cooler car? That's what I'm interested in.

[JET-33]

yeh but times can vary too much, temp, track conditions, launch, engine bay temp, traction, air density, gear changes, wot revs u shift at and on and on and on

power is power, from power u can work towards a time, but with a time it doesnt tell u anythin about your power...

all well and good if u only car wot time u run....but i like to know both as im sure most people would

[Gradenko]

JET-33, its not the ET as much as terminal speed that we're interested in. With 60', terminal and wieght, its fairly easy to see if the driver got a good launch and how much power the engine's *really* making.

[rev210]

I don't even care if its a bloody 1/4mile,your favorite circuit race track or private road.

Thats what I mean by how fast your car is.

Time's, if you standardise the driver. Tell you whether the car owners a 'wally' for seting up the car wrong (for the thing he actually wanted to do) and whether he is full of bulldust about his power claim.

Three ply, extra soft dyno sheets, go hand in hand with no mph to back it up.

Jet-33,

High powered/fast cars always have a corresponding mph (unless the driver didn't use all the gears or blew up something halfway down etc.) This is inspite of wheel spin out of the blocks.

For instance, I doubt whether I have even 180rwkw and I have a full 3mph more terminal than you, and run a 13.7 with 2.5 60fts (and lots of wheel spin). I'm saying I don't have 180rwkw - you say you do and can't 'show me the money'. Even on a rolling start I'd hand you your ass.

Now I'm not trying to dispute the time spent at your local dyno was a waste, you got a good tune out of it and I'm sure and that 180rwkw figure probably indicates a good tuning improvement.

there is more to going quick than power as you have said, so why lose focus on the real purpose of the car for the sake of being a 'dyno queen'.

[Ender]

I wish my car was a dyno queen!!

[whatsisname]

Baahh who cares how many rwkw's people can get from stock ECU, turbo & intercooler - I wanna' know if anyone can beat my 13.0 @ 113 with the stock "CLUTCH" hehehe

[benm]

I think a good guide would be that for every $1 you put into 'go-fast' bits put $0.50 into better tyres, suspension, setup etc.

No point having 250rwkw if you cant put it all to the ground until you have reached 50% way down the 1/4 track.

[Steve]

TUFR33, with 12 psi on a stock coola, how long are you expecting the stock turbo to last? You might be lucky, but you may not.

[JET-33]

i got my car alsmos as is, with resonable tyres i would no doubt hand u your ass rev...i think u r gettin ova the top a bit, i mean after all, ya cars almost stock, go to the drags and c some real modded cars and youl realise that both our cars r slooowww, and from wot ive seen in your other threads, uve spent a lot more time, money and effort than me...my car can run mid 13s no prbs..but who cares

the gtr im gettin will devour all

peace guys, take it easy

[Gradenko]

Originally posted by JET-33

i got my car alsmos as is, with resonable tyres i would no doubt hand u your ass rev...i think u r gettin ova the top a bit, i mean after all, ya cars almost stock,

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my car can run mid 13s no prbs..but who cares

lol, you have no idea how many ppl have said that. Tell ya what, come back with a faster time slip and we won't talk too much smack about ya. Deal?

BTW,

go to the drags and c some real modded cars and youl realise that both our cars r slooowww

Preaching to the preacher there. Don't get rev started about his rotor...

[NismoR34]

You can enjoy a skyline without thrashing it up and down a dragstrip.

TUFR33 asked a question and all you guys are talking about is penis size

I have been to Perth recently and the air was fine - what are you guys on?

When you assemble 10-15 or more cars together for a dyno day its not just about a one-off number - you have COMPARISON amongst other things by which to measure up your car [and its state of tune / mods] to the next guy's [state of tune / mods]. Benchmarking is also important to gauge any future mods...

Some people may never take their pride and joy down to the track and there is nothing wrong with that - nobody has anything to prove. You do what you are interested in - the same as TUFR33 may be interested in reaching one of his own goals...?

I will run mine one day [legal-drags] but for now I am happy with the performance / handling / ride quality etc...

/one for the philosophical archives...

Smile

[rev210]

Jet33,

Spent less than $2,000 so far. A snick over $1k to get a 13.4 on little 205's (13.5's all day baby).The next outing will have me in 12's (still a slow car tho').

Well it looks like you do have problems running a mid 13 in your car, you haven't yet. Talk is cheap beat my time and shut me up

NismoR34,

drive around with your bonnet up?

Care whether you have only one working gear in the gearbox?

Dyno is a tuning device, dyno days are fun sure but if the point is trying to make sense of other peoples mods then you might want to make a few other comparisons before heading off down the dyno sheep path.

Dyno's don't tell you how long it takes to accellerate, they can't emulate the areodynamic drag on a vehicle or airflow into cooling components.

There is nothing wrong with never taking the car to any kind of motorsport.If it aint your bag say so and no one will get confused

[rev210]

And there is nothing wrong with never taking your car to a dyno either.

[Guest INASNT]

rev

at the next meet get some1 else from here to drive your car down the strip! If they get a 14 sumthing then we know u r a real good driver!

[Steve]

INASNT, would you let someone else take your car down the 1/4?

Considering the mods to rev's car, and on stock tires IMHO you must be a good driver to be getting those times?

TUFR33 - Met Blue GTST's car, according to Lumpy (the tuner at C-Red, and quite respected) "goes quite hard" that was in the trim that he (Met Blue GTST) stated, approx 250rwhp. Not too many skylines put down those sort of figures with stock turbo and coola, but it gives you an idea of what is possible.

But, seriously, with anything above 10psi boost with stock turbo and coola, you are taking chances with the turbo.

Did you actually have a power figure in mind or are you just wondering what is possible?

Steve

[Guest INASNT]

steve

since rev is the only 1 on here that has pulled such a good time with stock stuff, hes car or he aint normal!

[Steve]

Well, I think you are right.

But alot of it is probably based on the fact that Rev is not new to the game. Having valuable experience means he can get a combo of mods right for maximum gains, so maximum bang for buck. This combined with someone that quite obviously knows how to drive - ie consistant times, and perhaps the real potential of the GTST is being shown.

I am under the impression that experience, above and beyond knowledge, is what makes a real difference in the real world.

Sort of gives you something to aim for when someone else is getting better times with similar or less mods - ask yourself 'what am I doing wrong' and try to improve.

It seems to me that alot of people just bolt on more bits in an attempt to improve times, when the real handicap is the driver. I had a mate in the west who likes taking cars down the strip. When he doesnt get a time that he believes his car is capable of, he looks at how to maximise the performane he has without bolting more on, then when he is happy he adds more and moves the bar up a notch - isnt this what it is all about?

Jeez, starting to waffle a bit now.