is this a load of bull?

[R32-Drifter]

"You cannot drift in a skyline, it produces too much torque and is virtually impossible to handle if you throw it into a drift, so unless you want to spin out and die, use the grip driving technique. "

ok, iv been here, thinking...somthing funny i could say about that....and i really cant think of anything, its already that stupid, anything else ontop of it would be a waste of time. who ever made that site, has obviously never been in a skyline.,...or maybe he is true and i really spin out everytime i drift and i just dont know it? hahahaahahaha.....awsome site. lets go learn from there.....NOT!..once again... HA HA HA.

[blackicerage]

did u watch that video or not cause watch it and tehn answer me

[Silver-Arrowz]

Video link doesn't work

[blackicerage]

ok here is working link http://www.blackiceyrage.net/cars/dri_45.wmv

[rb26dett]

hey bigal, yes he is a regular driver for the series. the idea of the series is to see which tuner/manufacturer has the best machine. there have been ferraris, porsches, mclarens and all the big name european brands in there, so far the japs are on top.

each team has 2 drivers who take turns to drive the full race. there r 2 separate categories of racing running concurrently, the gt300, cars limited to 300hp and gt500, cars limited to 500hp.

all the N1 and GT stuff u get for ur cars from Nismo and such evolved from development in this series. it's been awhile for quite a while.

r32 drifter, i'm pretty sure he's talking about the GTR there as that's the only Skyline americans know of. (From Gran Turismo) as you already can tell from the in-depth knowledge regarding drifting on the website, the guy really knows what he's talking about, lol.

[rb26dett]

black ice, i'm sure there's a much faster way round that track than drifting. the run is not timed so there's not way u could be sure, but then drifitng is not about lap time, but time spent sideways.

he does enter the corners at high speed, which is scrapped of when the tyres are forced to travel against their natural direction of movement, which will mean low mid-corner speed and sluggish exit, notice that he doesn't shoot off toward the next corner as he rounds the double rite hand, as i'm sure someone who takes the proper apex would.

[hippy]

no way i think this guy is onto something ... if u watch initial D ... it shows that if u go and buy an ae86 and put in a high rev engine ... then you will be unstoppable and unbeatable!!! not even a rx7 or even a gtr can beat it ... mind u the gtr lost because of its worn out brakes ... also consider that u never ever see him change tyres ... in fact u never see anyone of them change tyres which goes to prove that drifting is good for tyre wear!!! .. think about that one!!! .. maybe this guy got all that stuff from initial D hehehe

[Silver-Arrowz]

hippy,

your onto something there..... :uh-huh:

[rb26dett]

hippy...correction, the GTR lost because the front tyres heated up too much causing excessive understeer.

i have seen the whole series, and i also tend to agree that he might have watched that series and felt that the humble ae86 is able to trash any car anywhere.

[hippy]

i stand corrected

[Shrub32]

hmmm drifting was hardly invented by the japs its a term been used in car racing for years. check out the may issue of F1 racing. article about jim clarke he describes how he drifted in some corners, this was back in the 60's. Even modern F1 drivers use induced oversteer(drift) to slide all four wheels around some corners, alot like Karting. It all depends on the track and where you want the car to be for the next corner.

[Sydneykid]

I'm telling you now, i was drifting when i was 12 years old, and i was a meeeaaan drifter, down Kembla Grange Kart track...

[Adam 33]

Well with my experience watiching all the drift videos and talk i have seen heard. And add this to general knowledge and sense

i believe drifting would be faster its just you would need incredible skill to do it, and as no one is perfect you will stuff up eventually and it wont be a little bush you will hit, you may wright off ya car + injuries to your self and others.

And then when you say the Super V8s, formula 1's would change there setup for drifting to go faster These races go for 40+ laps, The tyre wear is so great it is not worth it. You would need to pit only about 60 more times than any other "normal racing team"

Anyone heard of "Initial D" these are a great little jap series (cartoon) about drifting in the jap mountains.

So in all if you are circuit racing you will not drift as you will need to pit more often thats why no professional drivers use this.

[Duncan]

If that was they case, why wouldn't curcuit drivers drift in qualifying, where they have seperate tyres and only have to do one lap.

Drift may be faster into the corner, and possible mid corner, but you kill your exit speed - and therefore your top speed on the next straight.

DRIFT IS SLOWER

(but more interesting to watch )

[rb26dett]

like we said, the initial d cartoon also shows the AE86 beating a myraid of other cars.

to name a few: GTR32, RX7 FC and FD3s, Mitsubishi Evo 4 and 5 and Toyota MR2 twin turbo.

you show me one actual AE86 that can do that on the road. the cartoon was made by AE86 lovers, which is why that car will win any race. they also focussed on drifting becos it's very popular in Japan.

if drift was faster, why should we learn braking markers and proper corner entry, etc?

a little common sense: ur tires oni grip in one direction and drifting forces your tire against their natural rotation. with conflicting forces at work, how can u be faster?

[Shrub32]

"Braking a corner is when a driver uses the brakes to get a bit of oversteer going, and then steers the front wheels in a perfect straight line to make all four wheels 'slide' round the corner. It requires alot of driving skill and has to be perfectly balanced, but when its done properlly, it is super fast around some corners."

From a Michael Schumacher wank book.

[Silver-Arrowz]

If drifting is quicker why don't tyre manufactures develop harder compound tyres to cope with the wear?

Look, it's been proven that drifting is not the way to go. Back in the early days of F1, drivers use to drift around corners until Fangio came along and developed the modern day racing techniques. What can you say to 5 world championships.

[Shrub32]

The aero technology of F1's allows them to take corners very fast compared to other formulas and also would make it harder to power slide. And drifting in a F1 is not used on every part of a track, only some corners it would be beneficial. I agree that drifting as we see in jap video's is slow way around a corner thats just for show.

[fatz]

anyone that says drifting is quicker around a corner is a ***n goose

no if' but's or maybe's

you r a ***en goose

[Shrub32]

guess im in good company