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Honestly, i can't see why you all are so interested in the new commodore,falcon, etc etc, this is a skyline forum if you want to talk about a holden/ford go to one of their forums.simple. don't like them fine stop talking about them. Its like you haven't got anything better to do or say, so what its not a skyline, and for the record Skylines aren't the best car made either. there are plenty of inherent faults in skylines but no-one ever talks about them do they. On a hot day my skyline runs shit, won't idle, cause of this so called heat soak, yet i bet a commodore will sit there and idle all day in 40-50 degree heat. but this problem with heat soak is affecting alot of people if you look through the performance threads, yet there is nothing i can do but live with it.

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Take it easy... its a free coutry and we can express our love and/or distain for anything we choose

If you dont like it... move on

i'm cool ctjet, just don't understand if you hate it then why keep going on about it. I'll use your words here, if you don't like it...move on.

recalls are part n parcel of the auto industry, its a big deal to get a car right.. N the 1 Billion dollar spend has been distributed in alot of new manufacturing processes, that gives holden some sort of foundation to compete with other markets as well. So dont go thinking they spent a billion just developing the VE. All fun n games.

i remember reading about the VE series, and Tom Walkinshaw was saying that its a top of the line sports car and can easily compare to a supercar, and he said it is pretty much a supercar in every aspect... In my aspect they are chunks of sh!t. Whoever says fords arnt reliable are wrong, how many AU and EL taxi's have done over 1million k's and never not once have they sh!t themselves when i and mates at work have worked on them. Original engines and everything still running strong (shocking compression though)

Also my uncle has a vy s2 r8, one burnout and the box sh!t itself, 7grand damage. His son has a xr6 turbo, 282kw at the wheels. One diff and 2 gearboxes.

The new ba's arnt the best, XR8 and GT's coping engine replacements, IRS diffs sh!tting themselves, Gearboxes blowing, Clutches frying. But get a straight gas BA xt auto.. Reliability is the word id use.

Also, for the holden lovers.. Thrash a holden as much as my r33 has been thrashed and we will c how many pieces u get ur engine and car back in... :O

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yeh i think this subject is going abit far lets just leave it at that i mean the only good ford and holden are doing for this country is the amount of jobs they offer otherwise i think we'd be much betta of getting our cars from japan america or europ (i'd prefer japan) but theres those who like thier minis n those who like the big v8s..

I drive past a dealership everyday as I go for lunch... I've looked at these cars plenty (stopped off and took a look, sales guy gave me the usual talk).

I don't like the look of them, they do appear to drive well (I drive past people as they are test driving them). Couple roundabouts, a set of lights etc... a straight. People drive soft, some fang it around. Slower then the previous models with the V6 as it's the same engine, but heavier body.

The look like that tried to make it look widebody... all puffed up and that. Very weird looking car. Nice for what it is though ;)

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