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remember though, this could have the potential to plough into a guardrail, i dont want to die on impact. also, what do they look like again, i think i know the one you mean, but cant remember?

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i know what its like to drive AWD (i know the gtr is different) i own a subaru and i owned a very tail happy GTi-R. let me rephrase it sorry.

i want a car that i have to put a lot of skill and practise into to get to the same level as a gtr. if i bought a gtr people merely assume that its the car that is good and not the driver. i want a car that will help me develop my driving skills and technique to a much greater level.

the familia gtr and the gtir arent really good options now after having seen two friends blow up their gearboxes and diffs recently. so that narrows it down a bit. i have also heard that the early evo boxes are very weak, similar to early WRX boxes?

daveo that was exactly the response i was looking to get from someone. the sr20 idea was the DET not an n/a one, what would be the point in that? wtih the roof, i will be installing rollover bars in the event of anything happening. in regards to the bullet cars. well, i wouldnt go as far as they did but its the whole drivleine setup that i was referring to with them. i would obviously do the minor chassis changes with the engine upgrade as well. the bullet roadster i am referring to is actually the one they built with A 20BTT in it. it was a while ago now but it was road legal. i spoke to them about it and they said as long as you do it all by the books and can keep it under the emmissions level there shouldnt be too many issues. its not too hard to intall, just the mounts and lining it all up really.

with your idea of keeping the stock motor, a mate of mine actually had a similar idea. the mx-5 came out with the b6 engine in it. now he suggested i put a b6t or bpd engine out of the familia's into it. the b6t is the same engine just turbocharged out of the familia gtx's (stronger internals though) and the BPD is the 1.8 turbo out of the gtr familia's. since the stock motor and both familia engines are fairly similar the change over shouldnt be too hard and neither should the compliancing.

i will have 16k to play with, up front when i do this (my last car was stolen) so there wont be a need to save up for anything really.

The few mates I have who have owned evos (actually gsrs, with full evo3 conversions gearbox and diffs included) and they seem pretty tough, maybe not as good as supra 6 speed... But they copped a fair bit of abuse, as in hard launches, bit of clutch kicking trying to drift in the wet etc. Really whats going to kill the box is being harsh on it, cluch dumps etc, which dont equate to a quick lap time anyway. But they are def stronger than the familia and WRX boxes.

I cant imagion the stock MX5 box is going to be overly strong either? Nore for that matter the box that you will put with the rotor.

Once again as you probably know the familia GTR motors had some forged internals, and a turbo thats approx x2 the size of the gtx one. So if it can be dropped in it probably wouldnt be a bad option. FWD to RWD I dont know how you will go.

But back to which car to get. Really, if pratcially isnt an issue go the MX5. Just keep in mind stuff like rain, wet track days, etc etc. And roll bars will help, but it still aint a roof :D . So if you dont mind getting your seats wet, have no need for more than 2 seats or 2 doors, dont really need much of a boot etc. Then the mx5 is probably the way to go. If not Id be looking at the EVO thing a bit more.

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The few mates I have who have owned evos (actually gsrs, with full evo3 conversions gearbox and diffs included) and they seem pretty tough, maybe not as good as supra 6 speed... But they copped a fair bit of abuse, as in hard launches, bit of clutch kicking trying to drift in the wet etc. Really whats going to kill the box is being harsh on it, cluch dumps etc, which dont equate to a quick lap time anyway. But they are def stronger than the familia and WRX boxes.

I cant imagion the stock MX5 box is going to be overly strong either? Nore for that matter the box that you will put with the rotor.

Once again as you probably know the familia GTR motors had some forged internals, and a turbo thats approx x2 the size of the gtx one. So if it can be dropped in it probably wouldnt be a bad option. FWD to RWD I dont know how you will go.

But back to which car to get. Really, if pratcially isnt an issue go the MX5. Just keep in mind stuff like rain, wet track days, etc etc. And roll bars will help, but it still aint a roof :) . So if you dont mind getting your seats wet, have no need for more than 2 seats or 2 doors, dont really need much of a boot etc. Then the mx5 is probably the way to go. If not Id be looking at the EVO thing a bit more.

with the gearbox, we were planning to put either a 5sp supra box or rx7 box in, both of which are pretty strong and can take a bit of abuse.

with regards to the familia engine. i think the only issue wit the transplant would be the mounts. the engines themselves arent too different. if i managed to get a BPD, and put it in a 1996 model (1.8 with popup headlights) i dont think there would be too many problems. they are the same engine block really. the familia has the bpd while the mx5 only has a bp. so i dont think there would be any issues there except making new mounts.

i'm looking at purchasing a racing hardtop from bullet, they are about 4500 (1500 more than stock ones) but have extra supports (i think its like a mini roll cage) built into the roof and heavy duty latches in case you do flip it. i will also install the rollover bars as well and racing harnesses. also, they do have a soft top standard so rain isnt really an issue?

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Because Rohan, they are more like $60k than $16k :)

Yeah, true. but they are cool. how about a gts-t they rocks, can get a high powered one for 16k... or spend 11 and then 5k straight out.

but on a more serious note.

GTR - French for Not even your mum is this crazy.

I didnt think they were much quicker then a gts-t until i was in a high tuned one.....

gts-t it is the baby brother can go quick but dont try to out do one in racing. mind you they are still bonkers to drive at high speed corners.

mx5 - bang for bucks nice car just make sure you dont make it too front heavy, the 06/07 ones are quick.

evo - like a 4 door GTI-R, mitsubishi got the nail on the head. quick car, set up right can do some insane lap times.

I like the idea of turbo-ing the stock engine, dont have to spend much, and can spend money elsewhere.

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Yeah, true. but they are cool. how about a gts-t they rocks, can get a high powered one for 16k... or spend 11 and then 5k straight out.

but on a more serious note.

GTR - French for Not even your mum is this crazy.

I didnt think they were much quicker then a gts-t until i was in a high tuned one.....

gts-t it is the baby brother can go quick but dont try to out do one in racing. mind you they are still bonkers to drive at high speed corners.

mx5 - bang for bucks nice car just make sure you dont make it too front heavy, the 06/07 ones are quick.

evo - like a 4 door GTI-R, mitsubishi got the nail on the head. quick car, set up right can do some insane lap times.

I like the idea of turbo-ing the stock engine, dont have to spend much, and can spend money elsewhere.

that was very well put. but with that in mind i'm gonna have to rule out the evo. already owned a gtir, looking for something very different, not similar.

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Ahh yes i forgot about that.

some more info.

R34GTT - always liked these but they were still a bit big for me, have all the mod cons and warranty sometimes, got the engine backin, but not something you can throw around a track quickly.

Series 5 Rx7 - My brother had one, love the rotary, didnt like the car. I much prefer the series 6 on the fd shape.

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i wanted an FD more than anything, but then i saw the price tag :) *walks away crying* if i could afford one i would buy it, they are the essence of hotness!

no, i think i've settled on the original idea of the mx-5. still not sure on what i'm doing with the engine though. would love a 13btt in it (20btt exceeds the power to weight ratio set by QT, bastards!) but it seems like its going to be a lot of hassle.

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Officer: Now son a 20b has 3 not 2. so whats the go?

You: It is a 13btt officer i swear, see 1,2 and a half, thats just the timing case with the timing chain not another rotor....honest.

haha you'll be right. :S

the mx5 sounds like a plan, should be good to see a hotted up one.

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lol, nice, i could actually see myself saying that to him "no, i swear its a fake, for rice effect!"

thats an understatement! i have already sourced the widebody for it

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have to order it from japan, just under 4k :) but looks damn fine :)

i was just browsing through mx5mania.com and they have forged pistons for under 1k and turbo kits for less than 3k. so for 5k roughly i could be running 20psi through the stock engine :O probably make about 200 rwkw in a 900kg car ;)

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