New P's regulations 'RUMOUR'

[v_s_p_e_c]

I heard today that somehow who ever makes these discisions wants to make cars with over 4 cylinders or turbos are going to be off limits to P platers.

Can any one clear this up. Im not saying its true but ive been told by some friends.

They cant do this can they? because some kids need to drive parents falcodores etc. or would that just be an exception for some.

Hope this aint true. Im pretty sure its not.

My two cents

[benm]

I doubt its true although I do think it would be a very smart approach.

I also think that everyone going for a license should be made to do an advance driving course and if they dont pass that satisfactorily then they fail.

/thought.... is $150 -really- that much to spend on your son/daughter to do an advanced driving course ?

[Al]

Agreed - Way too easy to get licence in australia!

In Europe they have to keep log books and clock up at least 120hrs driving experience.

[Nismodified]

its very hard to restrict people on what cars they can or cannot drive when young, really i think it should come down to power/torque to weight ration etc.. but that wouldnt be the easiest to enforce and too easy to alter.

advance driving course is a good idea alot of people are mentioning car forums to car magazines. But there should be some incentive rather then 'do or dont get licence' approach.

Say, if you complete the driving course, maybe the fee's in getting the actual licence is reduced. It does cost alot more these days jsut to get a licence, well nsw at least

[Silver-Arrowz]

I'm behind Luff on the idea that the licenseing system is a sham! We are taught to get the license, not to drive.

I believe that a licensing system like the current one for motorcycles in NSW is an absolutely good idea. Deaths on bikes have declined since the introduction of the licenesing system for bikes.

Incorperating an advanced driving course for L platers (cars) is the way to go. Education, not legislation!

[KamikazeR33]

i believe if htey did, the current holders of p's wouldnt be affected

like the old days b4 they bought in the new p1 and p2 system

well i hope so.... or else im stuffed

im hoping if its true, maybe its just L's and P1 licences

maybe p2 holders must have 2 pass an adv driving course 2 be able to drive powerful cars

[KamikazeR33]

also nsw still doesnt have the highest amount of deaths for restricted drivers either i believe... still vic isnt it?

[Guest Boxhead]

well if there was a limit to what power you can drive etc, i know there would be alot of p platers not whereing p plates...

i like what AAMI have started to do, but its only the first step in a staircase needed, that they offer free driving coarses to you if your parents have a policy or some crap...

i know that if the RTA started a scheme where they offered a half price or a discounted advanced driving course to p platers, tell me where to sign up, the only thing preventing me from doing one now is money.

[Silver-Arrowz]

I doubt anything will happen so soon. I heard about the p1, p2 thing almost 10 years ago and they've only introduced it sometime last year (i think).

Something like this will also take time.

[KamikazeR33]

boxhead trust me dont not wear ya p plates.... for everyone else who dont know, i didnt have my rear one on for reasons me being lazy, agot $74 fine and 2 demerit points (well i think 2 points)

[Guest Boxhead]

yeh i have been fined for no p plates aswell kamakaze, but the simple fact is if your gonna be targeted then you wont wear them...

i usually wear them, but for some people i know with nsw liscences, if they go over the border to qld, they wont wear them, because qld liscence dont have to wear them.

[d0p3y]

well if they do that

i'll just whack a SR20DE in the cefiro til im off my P's

easy done

stupid RTA this better be a load of BS

[EzeKieL]

Originally posted by Boxhead

i like what AAMI have started to do, but its only the first step in a staircase needed, that they offer free driving coarses to you if your parents have a policy or some crap...

I agree with you in saying that they are setting a good example, but in reality the driving course AAMI offer is pretty useless when it comes to actual driving experience.

3-4 hours throughout the day are spent 'theorising' about the safe distance to leave between vehicles, reducing your speed according to road conditions, how to avoid falling asleep etc - very simple, common sense stuff.

The only time you get on the makeshift 'skidpan' are in 4 x 25min sessions, each of which you get about 3-4 turns of a particular exercise/course which involves dodging some witches hats, emergency braking or something similiar. You do this in increments of speed: 50km, 60km, 65km & 70km and witness the difference.

While this is an interactive example of just how much speed affects certain things, I just think they should be putting a lot more emphasis on these practical exercises and not just use a handful throughout the day. The only way younger drivers will become safer on our roads is through practise.

[Joe]

is it worth risking 2 licence point for not wearing your p plates?

you get a maxium of 6 points.

I was only ever targeted once & that was on old pacific hwy.

I was doing legal speed limit of 110 but they pulled me over because i had my p plates on, P platers are legitimately to do a maxium of 100khm.

I been told that in a european country you have to pay $3000+ to get your licence with 1 point. Its a smart idea, once you put value on something people will start 2 take care of it. I seriously wouldnt speed to loose $3000.

[DLuded]

i thought P platers couldn't have powerfull cars already. if the power to weigth it too large then they're not allowed to have them. i think P platers arent allowed to gave GTRs or r34s. however, about 99% of people dont know and neither do the police. if they police know its very hard to prove that their car is actually over. i may be wrong but this is what i heard.

[red900ss]

The AAMI scheme sounds like a step in the right direction. What we need is a system that covers all driving conditions (within reason) and an extensive education syllabus.

A major cause of accidents is the attitude of the driver. If drivers can be educated as to what appropriate behaviour is then there would be less accidents. Combined with higher standards of driving skill would have to yield favourable results.

I am all for a thorough tightening up of the testing system in conjunction with a comprehensive training course. Instead of one test, a series of "milestones" would need to be passed before the final test. The practical aspect combined with compulsory lectures and written tests would give a solid foundation to go out into the real world and continue to improve driving skills. The theory component could be included as part of school studies as an elective subject.

A retesting system should also be introduced where everyone who wishes to continue with the privilege of holding a license must be re certified. Make it every 3 or 4 years. You get a notice and have 6 months to do the test.

It'll never happen, however, because the state governments are addicted to the income from speeding fines and would fear the voter backlash if they introduced such a sensible scheme.

Maybe with the Deputy Prime Minister John Anderson now speaking up against the relentless pursuit of speeding as the cause of accidents there will be some progress towards a sensible approach to reducing the road toll. Time will tell.

You know it makes sense.

[KamikazeR33]

maybe with every speeding fine a safe driving course must be taken.... at the cost of the driver.... might make things a bit more interesting rather than what they do in europe

[Guest Boxhead]

to be completely honest, i think written tests is not the way to go....

to make better drivers you need to put drivers in situations, and basically get there experience up...

wether this be at skidpan days or whatever...

EzeKieL - sorry i didnt know what they actually did at those days, only saw the ads

[dAVE]

my girlfriend did the AAMI course... she doesnt tailgate anymore I think the fact that its free to all policy holders and their family members is a great idea... im sure it would have saved them some claims already. It just re enforces what you have already been taught, but u get to actually get out there and see the differences in braking etc.

re p plates -cops can **** them selves over this... i never ever ever ever ever wear my p plates in NSW anymore. I got pulled over and given a $74 fine and 2 demerit points, then on the same road 30 mins later got done again... and yes, I had P plates up!!

I have now changed back to my victorian license... and the day I did that.. guess what, yes I got another P plate fine... and yes they were up (the officer told me they were too low "WTF"??

anyway - dont wear p plates.. they r going to **** u wether u have them up or not... so u may as well not bring attention to yourself .

[dAVE]

ps - now u know why my car is for sale.. each time I got done for this 15 minutes were wasted asking if my car was stolen and how a 20year old could afford it!!