New Gtr

[m3gtr]

v6 3.8 twin turbs with around 480 HP. Going on sale here for around 78 to 85 million yen...thats 78 to 80 k Oz... well under the prices being touted...

anyone keen to hep me invest in bringing one back to Oz under a private import?? i.e. an import i can have since im here??

[funkymonkey]

youre wrong.

see my previous post.

need proof? ill post up pics.

ummm what am i wrong about? lol my hypothetical pricing to show why its better if we don't get the gtr or why i think the new gtr won't be a V-something?

[m3gtr]

oh, please excuse my ignorance. I thought for a second you just made those figures up out of thin air...my mistake.

[funkymonkey]

lol no worries... you had me all confused cos you quoted my entire post. I just made up those pricing numbers to show why.... going on the assumption that nissan australia will shaft us on price.

[32line]

did i miss sumthin? i thought the GTR wasnt getin revealed for another 20 days??

wat are those pics u posted m3gtr?

[rev210]

I doubt it.

The new GTR will be a pig of a car weighing in at 1740kg, will only be available in automatic, and will come with run-flats as standard.

The hyped up times for the GTR is similar to the previous sub 8 minute time..........i.e. they were never proven and they were never official times.

Great to have you on the forum, great to get your always pro-holden/V8/anti-skyline comments and opinions, like everyone you are entitled to your veiws

As for the R33 GTR sub 8 minute time, that one is official and actually claimed by Nissan themselves, they even advertise it (something you don't do without something official time wise or five pages of disclaimer). The last place I saw it was on the new GTR site.

But, hey if the idea of a GTR actually being a great car sickens you, then please tell us all about it, after all this is a skyline forum

[rev210]

http://www.gtrnissan.com/ makes refference to the r33 sub 8minute for those interested

[Nightcrawler]

Going on sale here for around 78 to 85 million yen...thats 78 to 80 k Oz... well under the prices being touted...

actually if $80k is the price there, then $120k landed here is most realistic after transport, luxury car tax, GST and compliance. My R34 cost me $12k in Japan, yet was $25k landed here and actually on the road.

Also, taken from the Prestige Motorsport email:

The price will be 7.7 million Yen cost price at Nissan Dealers in Japan. It will take SEVS workshops some time to obtain approval to comply this model, but as a guide, the FOB price on a new GT-R would be approx. 8.2 million Yen once Japanese registration and deregistration (required by Japanese law prior to exporting new cars), plus taxes etc. are taken into account. This would equate to about $126,000 complied, including Luxury Car Tax.

oh and regarding this:

[quote(Nightcrawler @ 1 Oct 2007, 11:15 PM) *

The word is that the V35GTRs will be available here within 2 years for the very cheap price of around $120k. I will DEFINITELY be grabbing one!!! biggrin.gif Find me a quicker car for the money!

they are going to sell in Japan for around 75 to 80k...

still think 120k is cheap??

no matter what they cost in Japan, $120k is staggeringly cheap - especially when compared to the 1992 price of an R32GTR for $90k. Back in 1992 you could buy 2 (cheap) houses in Adelaide - now you could buy not even 1/2 a house for $120k.

[Rezz]

did i miss sumthin? i thought the GTR wasnt getin revealed for another 20 days??

wat are those pics u posted m3gtr?

What Adam posted isn't even the half of it

26th September: http://www.7tune.com/?p=111

21st September: http://www.7tune.com/?p=109

11th September: http://www.7tune.com/?p=106

28th August: http://www.7tune.com/?p=100

10th August: http://www.7tune.com/?p=88 (first mention of the 'VR38' engine code anywhere, now official)

8th August: http://www.7tune.com/?p=87

11th June: http://www.7tune.com/?p=31

[gts-4 dreamer]

70-80k in jp converted to aus $$$ drive away.

if we could get it here in aus for that price ... I would buy a brand new one... easy and im certain many.. many people would also.

but 30-40% ontop + grey import status.. no thanks personally and im certain the grey import status would deter allot of buyers.

hmmmm what are r34 prices like a month or 2 from now!

[WazR32GTSt]

it seems to be that the issue of locally sold vs not locaaly sold could be a topic of discussion

someone already pointed out the advantages of it not being sold locally with regards to price, but i personally would rather it sold locally. my main thought is that i think the GTR deserves all the glory that it will bring, and we need it to be sold locally so that the australian car industry can see what real japanese technology and performance is. such media attention will not occur if its not locally sold, think of how the s15 is viewed locally versus the s13. i believe that such local hype will realy put ford and holden in their place.

as it stands, i believe that no one outside performance enthusiast crowds understands fully the R-series GTR and how good it really is. i remember having to explain to my dad about the GTR when i was looking for my first skyline and he couldn't understand initially why a GTR would fetch such a higher price over the GTST. even when i explain the 4wd and TT issue, it doesn't really enable one to appreciate the GTR.

in terms of the 2008 GTR, i wouls rahter pay 15k more for something that everyone recognises as a supercar as it add to the streat credability, social status, etc.

and there's the obvious benefits of locally delivered such as

- better availability to parts

- better servicing and maintencance options

- better insurance premiums

- better understanding of the car in terms of electrics etc. which would have to be all in english if it was locally delivered, plus all nissan dealerships would have to know the car inside-out

- more local aftermarket options if many companies get in on it rather than just jap-specialists (such as if it was an import)

let the discussion begin..

[funkymonkey]

i don't see why R34 prices would be affected, they're in the second hand market now compared to a brand new car. if anything there might be an up in the price of R34 GTRs as people's patriotism and nostalgia are revitalised by the new GTR's launch.

[WazR32GTSt]

i don't see why R34 prices would be affected, they're in the second hand market now compared to a brand new car. if anything there might be an up in the price of R34 GTRs as people's patriotism and nostalgia are revitalised by the new GTR's launch.

my 2c:

i think the shape of the new GTR will lift prices of hte Z33 and V35 as people being to see adn appreciate more of the new nissan shape

the popularity of the R34 will continue to increase but in the 16-25yo bracket and this will ensure that the R34 drops in price just like the R32/R33 has. after all, that's who the car appeals to. but i agree that the new GTR won't affect the R34 much, if at all, as its a different market

the new nissan shapes such as the new GTR are going for a completely different market - ie the porsche, BMW M, AMG etc.

Edited October 3, 2007 by WazR32GTSt

[funkymonkey]

- better availability to parts

even parts for common Nissan sports cars like 350Z's and S15's are imported from japan. Only limited stock is kept on hand in Australia, and is shared by spare parts divisions.

- better servicing and maintencance options

Agreed that factory servicing depts will be given specific training on the new GTR, but with a performance car, the factory warranty is voided within a few months of owning the car... and workshops dedicated to servicing performance cars are, in my opinion, much better equipped to work on a 300hp+ car than a mechanic who also has to tend to Nissan X-Trails and Tiida's.

- better insurance premiums

The insurance premium for a locally sold S15 is the same as it is for a grey import. back in the day a few years ago the origin of a car and the availability of parts played a big role as Australia was somewhat isolated from the rest of the world, and for example, repairs meant things had to be ordered in and took forever. These days in a global market which is forever bringing us closer to the rest of the world this isn't an issue. Insurance companies are wise to this now and adjust rates accordingly.

- better understanding of the car in terms of electrics etc. which would have to be all in english if it was locally delivered, plus all nissan dealerships would have to know the car inside-out

If you've ever read the R32 GTR FSM that was supplied to australian workshops and the FSM that was delivered to japanese workshops you'll notice a world of difference, the detail is simply mindblowing in the latter. Nissan might as well have given australian mechanics a chisel and a hammer to fix the GTRs. Plus you'd think if the GTR was to be delivered to countries like the UK and US they'd have it in english anyways

- more local aftermarket options if many companies get in on it rather than just jap-specialists (such as if it was an import)

This one I agree wth, I was quite impressed with the ADR approved turbo/supercharger kits being developed for the 350Z. However, being a global car, the big bucks are in R&D in the US, UK and Japan... so I'm fairly confident if bolt on kits and quality aftermarket parts are to be sourced, they'd come from these countries.

[WazR32GTSt]

even parts for common Nissan sports cars like 350Z's and S15's are imported from japan. Only limited stock is kept on hand in Australia, and is shared by spare parts divisions.

Agreed that factory servicing depts will be given specific training on the new GTR, but with a performance car, the factory warranty is voided within a few months of owning the car... and workshops dedicated to servicing performance cars are, in my opinion, much better equipped to work on a 300hp+ car than a mechanic who also has to tend to Nissan X-Trails and Tiida's.

The insurance premium for a locally sold S15 is the same as it is for a grey import. back in the day a few years ago the origin of a car and the availability of parts played a big role as Australia was somewhat isolated from the rest of the world, and for example, repairs meant things had to be ordered in and took forever. These days in a global market which is forever bringing us closer to the rest of the world this isn't an issue. Insurance companies are wise to this now and adjust rates accordingly.

If you've ever read the R32 GTR FSM that was supplied to australian workshops and the FSM that was delivered to japanese workshops you'll notice a world of difference, the detail is simply mindblowing in the latter. Nissan might as well have given australian mechanics a chisel and a hammer to fix the GTRs. Plus you'd think if the GTR was to be delivered to countries like the UK and US they'd have it in english anyways

This one I agree wth, I was quite impressed with the ADR approved turbo/supercharger kits being developed for the 350Z. However, being a global car, the big bucks are in R&D in the US, UK and Japan... so I'm fairly confident if bolt on kits and quality aftermarket parts are to be sourced, they'd come from these countries.

you make some good paints Shan, but you didn't take into consieration the main point i was making, being that it will provide the opportunity for the australiam media / publicto realyl appreciate nissan and the new GTR, as currently nissan is still seen as the company that makes the pulsar and the maxima. no one locally takes them seriously with regards to performance cars (except for us - the performance enthusiasts)

[WazR32GTSt]

even parts for common Nissan sports cars like 350Z's and S15's are imported from japan. Only limited stock is kept on hand in Australia, and is shared by spare parts divisions.

yeah but we're spoiled by the fact that so many parts for the R32/33/34, S13/14/15 etc. are so cheap locally due to the cheap prices of such cars. in the case of newer cars, its rediculous to think that any parts importer will stock parts for an expensive imported car. at least if it was locally delivered you KNOW that nissan will have parts in stock and you won't have to wait.

since i bought my V35 i have not found one parts stockist with a half-cut. the only parts we can get are either from shared cars (maxima/350z etc) or by asking your nissan dealer politely for the to look in japan, and then having one of your kidneys removed to pay for it

Agreed that factory servicing depts will be given specific training on the new GTR, but with a performance car, the factory warranty is voided within a few months of owning the car... and workshops dedicated to servicing performance cars are, in my opinion, much better equipped to work on a 300hp+ car than a mechanic who also has to tend to Nissan X-Trails and Tiida's.

my experience with workshops if very hit-or-miss. they will need years of training in the new GTR to have the kind of knowledge they would need. remember that hte rb26 has been out since 1989 so its not like they can pick up a new GTR and start bolting stuff on and know its going to work as well as it does with the rb26 which is tried and tested.

The insurance premium for a locally sold S15 is the same as it is for a grey import. back in the day a few years ago the origin of a car and the availability of parts played a big role as Australia was somewhat isolated from the rest of the world, and for example, repairs meant things had to be ordered in and took forever. These days in a global market which is forever bringing us closer to the rest of the world this isn't an issue. Insurance companies are wise to this now and adjust rates accordingly.

yeah but try to get an import insured by any of the big companies like RACV, AAMI, etc. i know i;ve never had luck with my R32 except with shannons or justcar.

If you've ever read the R32 GTR FSM that was supplied to australian workshops and the FSM that was delivered to japanese workshops you'll notice a world of difference, the detail is simply mindblowing in the latter. Nissan might as well have given australian mechanics a chisel and a hammer to fix the GTRs. Plus you'd think if the GTR was to be delivered to countries like the UK and US they'd have it in english anyways

i haven't read the R32 FSM, and i agree that we might get "toned down" explanations of everything, but its better than local autoelectricians having to work stuff out with japanese characters and no idea of the schematics.

even comparing the V35 and the G35 much of the factory options are different, and as such much of the wiring is different.

agreed that most of hte mechanical stuff will be identical and that the $$$ in the US will make them the bigest source of R&D outside of japan.. lets hope the GTR goes there too..

This one I agree wth, I was quite impressed with the ADR approved turbo/supercharger kits being developed for the 350Z. However, being a global car, the big bucks are in R&D in the US, UK and Japan... so I'm fairly confident if bolt on kits and quality aftermarket parts are to be sourced, they'd come from these countries.

as above

[R32_GODZILLA]

For those of you who are confused with the specs and name of the car, this is the latest information i've gathered of the new GT-R - Thanks to the efforts of the NAGROC for compiling this information that can be found here :

There are three trim levels (USD):

- Base: $66,675 alloy wheels

- Black Edition: $68,580 forged wheels, black/red leather seats

- Premium Edition: $71,870, forged wheels, side airbags, Bose,

There are 6 exterior colors:

- Super Black

- Vibrant Red

- Pearl White (30k yen option)

- Titanium Grey

- Dark Metal Grey (according to a magazine, they will only produce 40 cars a month with this color)

- Ultimate Metal Silver (300k yen option)

There are 2 interior colors:

- Black edition only gets black

- Base and Premium can choose black or grey

Wheels and Tires:

- Base GT-R comes with unnamed alloys and Dunlop Sport tires

- Black and Premium editions come with Rays wheels and Bridgestone RE070s (run flat).

Other:

- The chassis code is CBA-R35

- Weight is ~1590 kg/3500 lbs (other sources say 1740kg)

- Premium edition comes with a Thatcham class immobiliser and alarm (optional on the Base and Black Edition)

- Premium edition comes with a Bose sound system (optional on the Base and Black Edition)

- Premium edition has seat heater

- Side airbag system is optional on all 3 trims

Engine and Drivetrain:

- The engine designation is VR38DETT (Twin Turbocharged 3.8-liter V6)

- The engine performance of the 3 trims is the same

- There is no Manual transmission option

Optional:

- Titanium muffler (10 kg lighter)

- Anti-theft immobilizer 250,000 yen

There will be 160 high performance centers throughout Japan specialized in servicing the GT-R with GT-R specific mechanics (written in the preorder material).

It seems as though it will now be known as 'R35 GT-R', not V35/6.

New pictures revealing the clearest shots yet! :

Part of interior reveled:

That should be as up-to-date as possible before the unveiling.

Cheers,

Steve.

[SilverECR33]

Nice steve! , love those shots.

I like how they have really stuck to the GTR theme while going the new Euro style look. I notice they have taken the best parts too from previous GTR's , For instance the front lights angled similar to the R34 gives the mean face look, while the Rear roof 2 rear quarter panel curvature, and the rear wide bum curvature look down the side of the car, represents the R33 styling.

All in all, after a few views, this car is Really starting to look hot. As far as Weight goes, I would imagine it should be lighter than 1740!?.. As from what I read, they are using quite a bit of Carbon Fibre on the new GTR that comes standard

[WazR32GTSt]

what's with the HUGE air vent in the middle of the dash?

otherwise the car is looking schmick! i have to disagree with the above - i think the headlights are very much like hte Z33 and the new V36 in how thye go up the guards rather than the R-series cars whre the lights were strictly at the front of the car only

the wheels are great too

in the last picture, the door handle looks like it might come with an intelligent key like the V35/V36 skylines, as the key hold eosn't seem to allow for turning of a key and might be a "just in case" system. let's hope so anyway.

paddle shifters are also quite visible too - love it!

[funkymonkey]

something that irks me to date is why they insist on retaining the Skyline stovetops if they want to break away from teh Skyline lineage with the new GTR.

yeah that huge centre vent just reminded me of a mini... I forsee giant Autometer gauges being stuffed in them with shift lights... factory allowance for muzza style