R32 Was A Bigger Step Forward Than R35

[sh@un]

80-100k car

not likely

[Sydneykid]

Let's try something a little interesting.

There seems to be some guys with the opinion that this is an "automatic" gearbox and one day it will come with a "manual". My opinion is this is a "manual" because;

1. It has a clutch, in fact it has 2 clutches

2. It doesn't have a torque converter (that's very important)

3. Not having a H pattern shift is irrelevant, sequential shifting is still "manual" in fact plenty of competition cars have sequential gearboxes, World Rally Cars, Champ Cars, Super Tourers and, next year, even V8 Supercars.

4. Just because there is the option of not changing gear yourself doesn't make it an automatic

5. Just because it doesn't have a clutch pedal doesn't mean it's not a manual. The clutch/clutches is/are actuated by other means, so what? A V8Supercar has an ignition cut on the gearlever which serves the same purpose, cuts the ignition momentarily so you can change up a gear without using the clutch pedal. Except they aren't as "smart" as a GTR, you still have to use the clutch pedal on the down change.

5. The gearbox is one of the reasons why it is so fast, in a straight line and around the track. Because the shift speed is much faster than you and I can manage with a clutch pedal and a H pattern shift. There is almost no pause in the acceleration, no loss of boost.

It's a manual in every sense of the word, arguably the best type of manual. Something the R32GTR would have benefitted greatly from, that's why sequential Hollingers are such a popular upgrade for track cars.

Cheers

Gary

[scathing]

I'm kind of with SK on this.

My definition of a "manual gearbox" is a a housing full of gears that has to be selected manually. Its not called a "manual clutch", so how the clutch is operated is irrelevant to the definition of the gearbox. It doesn't matter if it uses a torque converter either - how a gearbox does its thing is a matter of implementation, not definition.

I'd call this kind of gearbox a "semi manual" since it gives the driver full control of when the gears are changed in the appropriate mode. If you look at most Euro "Tiptronics" those things will change gear for you when you reach a certain RPM in their "manual" mode, even without driver intervention, which in my books makes it "semi automatic" instead.

[Duncan]

Yeah i totally agree too. This is a manual gearbox. and like I've said earlier taking away the clutch pedal just means you can't miss a gear which is great for a race car - you also can't select the wrong gear (which is good news for motors, right tacker )

This reminds me of people claiming gearboxes with synchros weren't real manuals either. Not many gearboxes in cars without synchros these days

[sh@un]

This reminds me of people claiming gearboxes with synchros weren't real manuals either. Not many gearboxes in cars without synchros these days

Yeah, but people like that were probably born around 1890, and are no doubt all dead by now