Gym And Supplement Discussion

[NickR33]

One currently does and competes in competitions etc - i can see the purpose for his choice.

The amount of food the guy eats in one day is more than i would eat in 2 and i eat a ridiculous amount as it is.

imagine the amount of money he spends every week on supps, food, gym membership etc etc... not to mention the waxing and tanning... shit is expensive

people don't like to talk about it because its illegal as well... when you hear actors interviewed on how they got all massive for a movie role they always go on about PTers and eating lots etc... but you never hear them come out and say yeah I did heaps of Nandrolone and HGH... even though its bloody obvious they've been on the gear

I find the whole diet thing hard to maintain, weekdays are okay but weekends, forgetaboutit! I just like lifting heavy, I like to set PBs for stuff and see the progress in strength... if it makes me look dead sexy well that's a bonus... but I just don't care enough to want to take PEDs

[Birds]

I fit that criteria, except for the knowledge, but I still wouldn't do it if I did. I don't want to get much bigger than I am, it's just not my look. Each to their own of course, but I think a lot of gym junkies started off with a goal to improving their physique to look fit and healthy...then after a while end up with a distorted idea of what looks good. It soon becomes a bigger = always better fiasco. We all know that you are never 100% satisfied with what you see when you look in the mirror. You can be content with it, or like what you've already worked for, but there is always something you would change to chase perfection. Then there are those who just want to be able to lift more and more. And then there's the people who simply don't have the patience to do it the slow way or are unhappy with the speed of their results, be it aesthetics or strength.

As I said before, I don't consider it cheating, many substances are merely concentrated versions of what the human body already produces...I do like being able to say I got to where I am without the use of synthetics though.

[Birds]

people don't like to talk about it because its illegal as well... when you hear actors interviewed on how they got all massive for a movie role they always go on about PTers and eating lots etc... but you never hear them come out and say yeah I did heaps of Nandrolone and HGH... even though its bloody obvious they've been on the gear

lol yeah, get sick of hearing friends tell me how quickly celebrities get jacked for their movie roles. We've seen the extremes people will go to for a movie roll, like putting on 60 pounds to play a fat guy...of course they're going to swing the other way too. Yeah it's hard work, but their ghost writer is a needle

*cough* entire cast of 300

[adznight]

people don't like to talk about it because its illegal as well... when you hear actors interviewed on how they got all massive for a movie role they always go on about PTers and eating lots etc... but you never hear them come out and say yeah I did heaps of Nandrolone and HGH... even though its bloody obvious they've been on the gear

f**kING UNIT.

[Birds]

Oh that's just cause he's standing next to a chick

[NickR33]

Wrestling = Steroids

[adznight]

One of the young guys at my gym, about 25ish is a UNIT. I was talking to him at a mates BBQ and I said f**k you're a big boy for that age, he came straight out and said it was the juice. He's a wrestler also in the Aussie WWF style shit.

[Dani Boi]

Is there any harm in taking high carbs before you go to bed if in a bulking phase? I usually do a workout from 5:30-6:30pm then have dinner. Then about 2 hours later I'll have a shake (high carbs) then go to bed.

[BoyWhoCriedWolf]

Just get a low carb shake mang

[Hanaldo]

Is there any harm in taking high carbs before you go to bed if in a bulking phase? I usually do a workout from 5:30-6:30pm then have dinner. Then about 2 hours later I'll have a shake (high carbs) then go to bed.

If you're trying to bulk, it's better to eat lots of fatty foods. Still healthy, just lots of fat calories. So like salads with full fat dressing, things like that. I would try to avoid carbs, so be careful with things like milk and nuts which have lots of fat calories but also a fair amount of carbs.

[Dani Boi]

If you're trying to bulk, it's better to eat lots of fatty foods. Still healthy, just lots of fat calories. So like salads with full fat dressing, things like that. I would try to avoid carbs, so be careful with things like milk and nuts which have lots of fat calories but also a fair amount of carbs.

Ok I was always under the impression that carbohydrates should form 60% for weight gain though? Atm my carb intake is near 350g-400g a day

[Birds]

I too thought carbs are good for bulking? I loaded up on them big time during my last bulking phase.

Is there any harm in taking high carbs before you go to bed if in a bulking phase? I usually do a workout from 5:30-6:30pm then have dinner. Then about 2 hours later I'll have a shake (high carbs) then go to bed.

You should probably be having the shake straight after your workout. And if you're using them for energy during a workout, have one at least 1-2 hours before exercising.

Bulking = get on a mass gainer. Ultimate Nutrition Iso-Mass Xtreme will pack on the pounds quickly.

[NickR33]

lol... if you want to add muscle get lots of protein and BCAAs... carbs don't grow muscle proteins do... carbs feed the muscle with energy... you don't need to carb load... the only time you should be eating simple carbs is before during and after an intense workout... otherwise you should be eating complex carbs in whole foods (veggies, salad etc)

Hanaldo mate salad is carbs... Milk and nuts aren't carbs so to speak... nuts are fat, but good fat so eat lots of them... Milk is high in protein so also good for bulking... but it all depends on your body type

have a protein shake before bed is good as it keeps your metabolism running while your asleep... no need to have a high carb shake tho... even just a glass of milk is good, chuck some milo in it if you want

you want to add quality bulk... not a bunch of fat... you might be able to get away with eating heaps of simple carbs (starchy food like pasta, potatoes etc) if your an ectomorph (hard gainer) or your working out very intensely and frequently

[Birds]

Yer I loaded up on protein too, never went a day without meat and shakes, but the carbs gave me a shit ton of energy to burn. It did give me a bit of fat that I've only recently finished working off using HIIT cardio, but a little fat gain is hard to avoid when bulking up that way anyway.

[NickR33]

just to clarify I'm not a huge fan on 'bulking' unless you are a competitive BBer... if you want to add size better to lift heavy with complex movements (deadlifts, squats, bench press, pull ups etc) and eat a shedload of quality whole foods... lots of protein from meat, eggs, milk and supplements and good fats from fish, nuts, avocado etc... keep the weight heavy, reps low and intensity high... concentrate on the negative part of the lift even more than the positive... don't overtrain, get plenty of rest and eat, eat, eat

most people in this thread are beginners or at least not into this stuff for competition (whether it be BB or other sports)... so you don't need to do all the shit the pros do... split routines, bulking, isolation excercises, pre-workout supps are all great if you've been at it for years and are trying to push through a plateau but if not just keep it simple and be patient

[NickR33]

Yer I loaded up on protein too, never went a day without meat and shakes, but the carbs gave me a shit ton of energy to burn. It did give me a bit of fat that I've only recently finished working off using HIIT cardio, but a little fat gain is hard to avoid when bulking up that way anyway.

yeah your body type sounds way different to mine... I can't even look at a bowl of pasta or a beer without putting on fat... the upside is things like quads which can be hard to grow for some, are pretty easy for me

sometimes my carb intake is too low and am super flat at the gym... so I try and load up on coffee to compensate... which only goes so far before your on the floor asking for help to get up

[Birds]

I am indeed an ectomorph. I once weighed 63-64kg at the same height (6'3").

I agree that beginners should build up a solid base before they turn towards advanced techniques designed to break through a plateau.

I had plateaued on the scales...I wanted to be heavier because I always felt like a lightweight, so I took the shortcut of bulking instead of trying to build lean muscle and slowly gaining weight that way. I gained muscle from doing it, but I also copped some fat due to the extra food and the cessation of my cardio. It goes hand in hand with that style of bulking.

In retrospect it wasn't the best idea, particularly when my pants became a bit tight (this is worrying). But now that I've cut down the food and am back onto cardio, I've trimmed most (if not all) of the extra fat off. The results are pretty good and I don't regret it. People have told me that I look bigger than before the bulk (hard to trust gym junkies, sometimes they just talk shit), and yet I've got most (if not all) of my old tone back now. Life is good!

[Hanaldo]

lol... if you want to add muscle get lots of protein and BCAAs... carbs don't grow muscle proteins do... carbs feed the muscle with energy... you don't need to carb load... the only time you should be eating simple carbs is before during and after an intense workout... otherwise you should be eating complex carbs in whole foods (veggies, salad etc)

Hanaldo mate salad is carbs... Milk and nuts aren't carbs so to speak... nuts are fat, but good fat so eat lots of them... Milk is high in protein so also good for bulking... but it all depends on your body type

have a protein shake before bed is good as it keeps your metabolism running while your asleep... no need to have a high carb shake tho... even just a glass of milk is good, chuck some milo in it if you want

you want to add quality bulk... not a bunch of fat... you might be able to get away with eating heaps of simple carbs (starchy food like pasta, potatoes etc) if your an ectomorph (hard gainer) or your working out very intensely and frequently

Sorry I should have clarified, I meant stay away from net carbs. So carbs that have a lot of impact on your blood sugar level. You want to be eating food that reduces the amount of glucose in your blood so that you are burning stored fat instead of glucose. Carbs found in salads don't produce a lot of glucose so they are fine. See what I mean? It's a bit complex, I'm not sure if I am explaining what I mean correctly...

In any case, I agree with this:

just to clarify I'm not a huge fan on 'bulking' unless you are a competitive BBer... if you want to add size better to lift heavy with complex movements (deadlifts, squats, bench press, pull ups etc) and eat a shedload of quality whole foods... lots of protein from meat, eggs, milk and supplements and good fats from fish, nuts, avocado etc... keep the weight heavy, reps low and intensity high... concentrate on the negative part of the lift even more than the positive... don't overtrain, get plenty of rest and eat, eat, eat

most people in this thread are beginners or at least not into this stuff for competition (whether it be BB or other sports)... so you don't need to do all the shit the pros do... split routines, bulking, isolation excercises, pre-workout supps are all great if you've been at it for years and are trying to push through a plateau but if not just keep it simple and be patient

I'm not a fan of loading anything, in my opinion you need a balanced diet, don't cut out certain elements.

[IOWNU]

It is like 5 degrees in Melbourne right now, so it is well and truly winter.

Bulk is on boyssss...can't wait to get huge(r ) this year.

Edited May 11, 2011 by IOWNU

[Birds]

It's not necessarily cutting out...I don't agree with cutting anything out, or "diets" so to speak. It's just increasing intake of certain foods

Balanced is definitely a good thing.