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Hi just a quick question, may have been covered already if so my bad.

I have a surge tank and bosch 044 fuel pump which im putting in my car in the next couple of weeks.

No i keep hearing from my mates dont do it cause the car will smell of fuel and the pump is really noisey.

Is this true??? I plan on running teflon lines cause they contain the smell. But how noisey is the pump??? can you barely hear it or would i be better mounting it under my car with customer surge tank setup???

Any help would be graet cheers.

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Teflon is sposed to not weep, though Ive heard examples of the smell being present.

If you 100% want no smell, hard line it in the boot, or mount under car.

If noise is unacceptable, the usual CNC f.pump bracket you see around wont cut it IMO. You'll need a way of really isolating vibration. Iv seen a R32 with the f.pump bracket mounted to to the surge tank, with the s.tank rubber mounted to the chassis.; was pretty quiet.

Teflon is sposed to not weep, though Ive heard examples of the smell being present.

If you 100% want no smell, hard line it in the boot, or mount under car.

If noise is unacceptable, the usual CNC f.pump bracket you see around wont cut it IMO. You'll need a way of really isolating vibration. Iv seen a R32 with the f.pump bracket mounted to to the surge tank, with the s.tank rubber mounted to the chassis.; was pretty quiet.

yeah the bracket i have for the pump has a rubber surround so that should keep it quieter. will probabbly mount the surge tank to some rubber before mounting it to the chasis also.

What surge tank are you using?

just the usualk kind the ones that look like a canister, if i had a cpu at home i'd post up a pic.

044's are kinda like an angry bee :) I used a rubber lined mount with bits of rubber between the mount and the surface it's mounted too and some extra sound deadning on the rear parcel shelf under the trim and behind the seat cushions. You can hear the pump when the cars not moving at idle but when your driving you can't, road/engine noise drowns it out. As for the lines, I used all teflon ones in the boot and no smell what so ever. Bit of a pain in the ass though as the teflon line fittings are expensive and the lines don't bend as much as rubber ones.

this is my old surge tank setup

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i ended up removing it because of the fuel smell and the noise realli started to piss me of

this is my new surge tank setup

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the surge tank is made by sard it runs the external fuel pumps are mounted inside the surge tank so it cuts out alot of the noise caused from the pumps

i also went with solid fuel lines to stop the fuel smell

lol @ angry bee, thats a good way to put it.

Mine is semi-audible... but i wouldnt call it excessive at all. With stereo on a normal level (not deafening) i cant hear the pump.

Fuel smell - i have that... BUT i have the usual fuel lines and its really not that bad i reckon...

You can buy better quality ones that dont weep, or teflon.

I cant remember the brand of fuel line, but PM Dr.Drift, Sam had them put them into a car and showed me ages ago, no smell :)

I'll grab a pic of my setup, its pretty nice i reckon... gimme a few days though as the car isnt @ home at the moment

044's are kinda like an angry bee :) I used a rubber lined mount with bits of rubber between the mount and the surface it's mounted too and some extra sound deadning on the rear parcel shelf under the trim and behind the seat cushions. You can hear the pump when the cars not moving at idle but when your driving you can't, road/engine noise drowns it out. As for the lines, I used all teflon ones in the boot and no smell what so ever. Bit of a pain in the ass though as the teflon line fittings are expensive and the lines don't bend as much as rubber ones.

yeah i heard they cost a bit but they're worth it. hmmm will have to see how i go

the surge tank is made by sard it runs the external fuel pumps are mounted inside the surge tank so it cuts out alot of the noise caused from the pumps

i also went with solid fuel lines to stop the fuel smell

where did ya get it from and how much did it cost ya cause i may head down this road. PM me if need be

lol @ angry bee, thats a good way to put it.

Mine is semi-audible... but i wouldnt call it excessive at all. With stereo on a normal level (not deafening) i cant hear the pump.

Fuel smell - i have that... BUT i have the usual fuel lines and its really not that bad i reckon...

You can buy better quality ones that dont weep, or teflon.

I cant remember the brand of fuel line, but PM Dr.Drift, Sam had them put them into a car and showed me ages ago, no smell :)

I'll grab a pic of my setup, its pretty nice i reckon... gimme a few days though as the car isnt @ home at the moment

yeah that would be cool bro cheers

I have a surge tank and bosch 044 fuel pump which im putting in my car in the next couple of weeks.

Why?

For what reason are you doing it?

Planning on some track work?

Concerned about fuel surge?

Have you thought about mounting the 044 in tank and not letting the tank get below 1/4 full?

Is that simple requirement worth the extra complexity and hassle from a boot mounted fuel refinery?

Or are you doing it just for the bragging rights?

Cheers

Gary

Why?

For what reason are you doing it?

Planning on some track work?

Concerned about fuel surge?

Have you thought about mounting the 044 in tank and not letting the tank get below 1/4 full?

Is that simple requirement worth the extra complexity and hassle from a boot mounted fuel refinery?

Or are you doing it just for the bragging rights?

Cheers

Gary

As above

044 intank FTW!

mounted properly intank its whisper quiet and still pumps fine with 5L left in the tank.

happily feed 350 rwkws.

for a fraction of the cost.

Why?

For what reason are you doing it?

Planning on some track work?

Concerned about fuel surge?

Or are you doing it just for the bragging rights?

Yeah thats why i bought it so i can brag on the net about how cool my surge tank setup is.... :(

The car will be a weekend track car.

As above

044 intank FTW!

mounted properly intank its whisper quiet and still pumps fine with 5L left in the tank.

happily feed 350 rwkws.

for a fraction of the cost.

I bought the set up brand new for less than an intenal pump. Besides dont wanna risk fuel starvation on my engine, would you???

I have a tank in my boot with braided lines and it stinks out the car, but all you have to do is open the windows and 5 mins later its gone :(

Mine is all rubber mounted but its still pretty noisy. On idle you can hear it, but cruising not really.

Like Ash said have the music on to overcome the buzzing :(

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