Police Correspondence

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Hi all, i agree with so many of these posts both positive and negative. I have seen both sides of the coin when it comes to defects/police harassment like so many others

and would like to see some sort of consistency regarding not only defects but also Police accountability in defect situations. In regards to involving a local MP in helping

to build a not so negative image ( as much as i wish otherwise, being a minority we will never be portrayed in a truly positive way when it comes to the media ) its not a

hard thing to do at all. You will find that a local MP will also want to build a positive image for themselves in the community, this is how they get elected... I have received

help from a local MP to help raise awareness for something just as highly opinionated in the past and got an article in the Advertiser as well which would give us the opportunity

to try and positively boost ( no pun intended ) our image in the public eye. Its easy to contact these people its just a matter of finding one who is willing to support our efforts.

I wish those actively involved the best of luck in this endeavour, and eagerly await the outcome of this meeting.

Cheers, Simon.

Good post Simon.....that's the key I think, trying to find a willing polly.....you'll know if he is or isn't within 5 mins of speaking to him (or her).

Have a teaspoon of optimism. Something good could come out of this and I hope something does - even if it converts just one Police Officer to see things from our point of view or a few defects less handed out.

Optimism is always good to have Vu but it should always be mixed with a teaspoon of reality.......but all the best with all your efforts.

[Rocky88]

a reporter from ACA or the like (could do a story about a group of car lovers who want to do the right thing and not get labeled as hoons).

Without diets, bras and hoons ACA would practically have no stories... it is really in their interest that we have negative image in public.

[Jonnyboy89]

someone needs to explain the situation to me.

Sounds like this is a case for the Office of the Police Ombudsman!

Put in a complaint that they do not know what they are doing and that they need to be qualified before handing out any kind of defect.

in NSW only highway patrol can defect you and as much as i hate to admit, some of them have a pretty damn good clue of what they are looking for because they have been trained properly!

just tryin to help

how bout you read all of the last 6 pages and look up the defect thread in the sticky section instead of demanding someone tell you about this!

for the point of telling you so you can go back to newcastle threads and get outta sa threads here goes:

Vu wrote how he got defected for an airbox, which took up factory postion, or was covered legally! he also got done for a boost controller, yea he put it on he got caught fair enough! we are trying to get across why if a cop can only find 2 faults with the car, should he pay 100s if not 1000s to get the "boost controller" and airbox fixed! this is the difference between a cop shop defect or a regency visit!

so now instead of flaming nene e.t.c and leaving it all to her, how bout we be mature and think about a valid point/letter to send to local mps!

something like.......

Dear joe goonburger blow mp of candy mountain(example)

As a local car enthuiasts(spelling?) club, members of Skylines Australia have thought it neccesary to address a few issues which we bring to your attention.

At a previous import cruise, we had an undercover police officer arrive to a meet point and demanded that the owners open their bonnets to display their modified/non modified engines. Every member cooperated with the police and we later discussed with one officer, that we would work with him, notify him of up coming cruises, and in general we hoped to build a relationship with a member of the police force so we can get the lable of "hoon" taken away or changed.

After the cruise our local forum discussed the events on the cruise and thought that if we could find a local mp to be present at a meeting we have previously organised then we can hopefully work together with police to provided a more fair road rules system.

Our members have thought of some valid points we would like to mention in our meeting with the police officers as listed below:

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I would like to ask for your support or some guidence to contact the necessary mp or persons, to have some support on an issue that not just Skylines Australia have, but other enthusiasts car clubs share!

thankyou for your time, i look forward to hearing from you

regards

jonny

on behalf of Sau

***something like the above is a guidline we can work with to send off to a local mp to help us**** feel free to edit it, rip it to bits, i dont care, just putting an input in to ease the load of nene and co

jonny xox

Edited January 14, 2009 by Jonnyboy89

[Krishy]

thats a very fair point there jonny

and i definately agree with a mp attending the meeting if possible as that will carry some weight with it

and if possible to get the news corps attention to it as well or aca or likes!

[Jonnyboy89]

ta hope it helps i rekon i lost brain power thinking of it all! add to it or edit if you feel the need! share an input

Edited January 14, 2009 by Jonnyboy89

[Krishy]

ta hope it helps i rekon i lost brain power thinking of it all! add to it or edit if you feel the need! share an imput

its input not imput

just to clarify

[Jonnyboy89]

your quote thing is wrong aye, i spelt it right! hehehe

[Krishy]

hahaha quick on your feet son

good one

also the spelling of input is wrong in your mock up letter

[Swiper the Fox]

your quote thing is wrong aye, i spelt it right! hehehe

no you didn't its input...not imput.

for example...

"just putting an imput in to ease the load of nene and co"

Guilt Toy was trying to help Jonnyboy...mate you have been here for 200 posts and your carry-on telling him to stay outa SA threads was childish...grow up a bit.

its nice to be nice.

Edited January 14, 2009 by DiRTgarage

[Jonnyboy89]

oi if you take a step back from your computer and look at the keyboard, you will prob notice that n is near m, so as i was typing like a pro i made a mistake, not quite the INPUT i was expecting aye

[Guilt-Toy]

oi if you take a step back from your computer and look at the keyboard, you will prob notice that n is near m, so as i was typing like a pro i made a mistake, not quite the INPUT i was expecting aye

I think your bios needs some work. good luck with it.

[Damo_R34]

keep it on topic warriors.

[Inline 6]

you might want to ask them what exactly are their goals to come of this relationship, they are forking out substantial money to just have a police officer follow us around.

also posting these questions up allows them to have well prepared answers as im Niels had a good read of this.

Never know he might start just answering them on the forum

Edited January 14, 2009 by Inline 6

[Howie]

As Inline 6 said.. It would be really refreshing if a member of SAPOL could come onto the forums and share their side of the story. And as Cronic mentioned, members of victorian and nsw police have come online and embraced the community also.

Recently we saw a thread started by a victorian member of police asking if we could help him identify a european sportscar doing crazy speeds on the freeway. I see it being a mutually beneficial exercise.

[RubyRS4]

Nene, if you need someone to knock up or edit a letter to an MP or other party, you know I correspond with Governments and COurts all the time. I'm proficient in document production and reports also, so keep that in mind.

[Carbon 34]

First of all, Guilt Toy , look at your little video in your profile of the Skyline doing a burn out ? Hello !!!! WITH REGO PLATES SHOWING!!! either way that doesn't reflect in a good manner to the police trolling the forum looking for a reason to Defect a car. your lucky who every owns that car doesnt get a knock at the door for "HOONING" its just adding to the ammunition of police.

Even some of the NS/180 guys with profile photos of obvious defects in body kits, way too low or the wrong wheel offset to be legal? looks nice ...but defectable !!!!

Thanks for takening this on Nene, Pete Etc. without someone stepping up to fight back we would all loose the freedom to drive a car of our choice.

a few questions probably worn out by now..lol

1. What training do police have in "Identifying a serious defect in any car" besides the obvious, tires,tint no lights.

2. Not only the MP , Dept of transportation head, SAU, Police commander or a few from around the area? not just Neil. how about a Regency inspector who has some pull to reccomend changes?, and at least a media reporter to give the import people a visible voice to Adelaide, without media this meeting could just be swept under the rug like it never happened? and we can show the media we do love cars, not all of us hoon?

3. I'd like to see a report of all the makes and model of car going thru regency, and the official reason for defect, including ones that get off under the so called "Suss defect"(or more like suss hoon, or suss rapest,suss robber,etc. it is supposed to be your "not guilty until proven guilty"? so arrest someone cause they look shifty and might rob somone? doesn't sound very legal to me? and for mass defects in one spot, I'd love to see them pull into the mall and pop the bonnets on a few dozen cars, bet they would find a lot more defects then a Skyline has.)just my whinge..sorry

4. isnt popping the bonnet to search your car considered a illegal search wihtout consent? unless there is obvious problems with safety? or your drug stash is cooking on the turbo?

5. I spoke to regency many times about a RZ Supra I bought in QLD, in the end it turned out to be way to hard, sold the car and it looked stock,had 85k worth of safe mods on it and competely legal to drive in QLD, why do we play the game of every state just wings it for rules? there must be a better way to streamline the system, but doubt that will happen anytime soon.

6.create a true club not just forum, one that actually has some respect for events, discounts,charity organizations, etc.

7. god forbid you think any skyline with a turbo will actually pass a real CO emissions test,,,,I lived in the emissions hell in the state's these cars are not clean burning cars, which is why they didnt sell them there. So dont punch your cat to make it worse ???? if they pass true emissions laws these cars will be goners!!!

a simple fix,,,,,sell all of the old skylines , everyone buy a dead stock 2009 GTR.....even more powerful...lol I wish..lol

or end up like sheep driving commy executurds with hubcaps and base white paint jobs...still getting defected for having non ADR air in the tires...lol

SAU put up a fight for your rights, dont let them walk all over you ????? saying nothing positve/creative wont help either???

[heslo]

I've spent most of last night thinking about this ( couldn't sleep due to the weather ) and I've arrived to the conclusion that I won't bother with any of this defect business anymore, if I get defected, fine so be it. I hardly drive the car now anyway as it is with work and after my boss speaking to me today and basically telling me the company is in my hands until the end of the year which is a GREAT opportunity but also means I have a LOT more stress on my plate than to worry about this.

I'll take the time while the car is off the road and I'm busy working to get engineered what I can, do the right thing and when I get a chance, just drive the damned thing and not worry, it's not my daily so if I do get defected, it's not putting me in a tough position.

I feel bad for doing this but I really think it's a whole group or not thing, if members are against this meeting I don't really see it being sucessful. If it does go ahead, I wish ALL THE BEST to the members involved and I'd like to thank Nene for being so damned awesome to put her ass out on the line for this and even thank Officer Neil to bother to take the time to respond to out mail.

[RubyRS4]

I feel bad for doing this but I really think it's a whole group or not thing, if members are against this meeting I don't really see it being sucessful. If it does go ahead, I wish ALL THE BEST to the members involved and I'd like to thank Nene for being so damned awesome to put her ass out on the line for this and even thank Officer Neil to bother to take the time to respond to out mail.

It will never be a whole group unfortunately Luke. This is why SAU will never have its own SA club. I've just been saying about how members complain nothing ever gets done, and when an attempt is made to do something members are still negative. Members even turned on their own over hoodies for f**ks sake. So how are we going to go fighting for better rights and a fair go on the road ... from what I've seen, we don't stand a chance.

So do we only fight for our rights when we know we can win? Be negative if it looks too hard? Shy away from a real fight? Stay behind our keyboards and talk tough? Seems the SAU SA way to me. There are very few members here I know who have bigger balls than the remaining members outright. Kell, Nene and I took on discussion with the cops the day of the last cruise and no one was defected. I'd rather attend a cruise anyday where the organiser won't split/shy away and leave you hanging when cops come. Cops attended our cruises uninvited and we immediate addressed them and kept the other members/cruisers out of the attention of the police. Kell, Nene and I have no idea if we'd win the discussion with the police, but we didn't shy away and no one was defected.

Kell and I have grown tired of the unwarranted negativity of SAU members and no longer run events/cruises. Mega kudos to Nene for not giving up and carrying on the fight. She's a new-ish member and a girl and has shown more enthusiasm than anyone else I know. I'll assist where I can in a minor role, but I'm not on the front line anymore. Can't lead a group anymore who ain't "got your back". Police won't take us seriously if we can't stand together, even when you know its not a win situation. I think its good that only a selected few attend these talks.

With you and Pete now as Moderators is the only reason I've stuck around. I wanna see if the SAU negative population will change their ways.

[Damo_R34]

This is all started with Police giving Kellie/cruise organisers "an ultimatum", about telling them about cruises, or else. Then it turned into, well, this. Cant we just START with asking where we stand with that point? Afetr all, thats what this all has ballooned from.

[DSTROY]

With you and Pete now as Moderators is the only reason I've stuck around. I wanna see if the SAU negative population will change their ways.

Funny thing is these new mods want nothing to do with this meeting, what sort of message is that sending out.