Suspension Setup

[rtune]

SK had very set ideas on suspension setup, always saying that spring rates were the

last thing that needed upgrading, and that sway bars were the key. (He would always

bring up Oran Park as the reason soft spring rates are necessary).

I wonder what he would say about these two flow diagrams which describe the tuning

process for an M3 CSL with three way adjustable shocks..

They are at the end of an illuminating PDF that has sat on the UK's foremost M3 tuning

shop.. (Thorney).

M3 is a rear wheel drive car and every car is going to be different but to me this flow diagram

looks applicable in general to any car with adjustments..

Notice that spring rates are NOT always the last on the list to get adjusted (firmer or softer).

[nisskid]

yeh but they are talking about the order of adjustment, not the order of buying the parts. when u buy adjustable sway bars, alignment arms and adjustable shocks, it gives u the adjustment to play with the setup, to change spring rates u have to buy completely different springs.

[Risking]

What exactly are you trying to prove??

There are many different ways to sort suspension, this is obviously one way that one tunning shop uses.

I have several flow sheets similar to that with multiple different orders of importance.

Doesnt mean one is right or wrong.

[rtune]

I have several flow sheets similar to that with multiple different orders of importance.

Doesnt mean one is right or wrong.

Do you have one that is specific to skylines? perhaps you can post it?

I'm not trying to prove anything, but from past searches whenever suspension questions got raised the solution generally bogged down into the "sydneykid setup".. which is not available now. So I thought there should be some more info to go on.

[bnr#@]

Think the other thing to consider here is that different people like their cars to handle diferently and set the suspension up how they like, there is no set rule that MUST be followed...

Driver confidence goes a long way and thats achieved with the suspension being set up how the driver wants it, not the way that is considered "right"

[rtune]

I think that degree of variability is at the end. From stock I imagine most cars should get the same upgrades just like in the area of power: everyone improves a short list, the same way. And what to do first, middle and last is well understood.

But whatever.

[nisskid]

Do you have one that is specific to skylines? perhaps you can post it?

I'm not trying to prove anything, but from past searches whenever suspension questions got raised the solution generally bogged down into the "sydneykid setup".. which is not available now. So I thought there should be some more info to go on.

since when is the "sydneykid setup" not available anymore? whiteline/selby still make sway bars, bilstein still make shocks, eibach/whiteline still make springs, whiteline still make alignment parts. the funny part is if u buy smart ull still pay less than what gary was charging in the group buy.

[Risking]

Do you have one that is specific to skylines? perhaps you can post it?

I'm not trying to prove anything, but from past searches whenever suspension questions got raised the solution generally bogged down into the "sydneykid setup".. which is not available now. So I thought there should be some more info to go on.

No I dont belevie in specific flow charts for specific cars. They should be seen as a guide and nothing more. Each to their own when it comes to sorting a car out.

I agree there is a criteria that people should follow when buying/upgrading parts. What you need is fairly set in stone much like engine modifications. However there is always a small minority that wont suit the general outlines. And when it comes to tuning the said parts it has to come back to the driver about any flow chart.

I know people who hire better drivers than themselves to steer the car and give input, I know people who strictly follow flow charts like that you posted, Personally, I occasoinally refer to charts but most of the time the order in which I adjust is predetermined by my own oppinion (which since im the driver is by far the most important)

I can be wrong and the car can go backwards but everything I do is logged and from mistakes I gain experiance.

Sound so oddly like something Gary once said to me.....

He has set ways for a reason. They work.

since when is the "sydneykid setup" not available anymore? whiteline/selby still make sway bars, bilstein still make shocks, eibach/whiteline still make springs, whiteline still make alignment parts. the funny part is if u buy smart ull still pay less than what gary was charging in the group buy.

You are correct the new colour of the selby bars is so much better than the canary yellow of the past too!

[Mr. Keets]

I bought Gary's kit for my 32 and I was very happy with it and even bought some bigger bars from him. Sure they took some time to get here but they did make it. I think more than sell parts Gary created a discussion about suspension and the use of Australian made/sourced parts that resulted in a lot of cars with better suspensions setups and more informed drivers.

[rtune]

I bought Gary's kit for my 32 and I was very happy with it and even bought some bigger bars from him. Sure they took some time to get here but they did make it. I think more than sell parts Gary created a discussion about suspension and the use of Australian made/sourced parts that resulted in a lot of cars with better suspensions setups and more informed drivers.

Which whiteline bits came in the kit if you don't mind me asking? did you get a product number list?

reason I'm asking is they sell more than few alternatives..

[nisskid]

why do u want the exact ones in the group buy?

if anything id stay the f**k away from those bushes in the GB, absolutely useless for adjustment.

[vidospace]

LOL agreed on the bushes. I just got rear adjustable camber arms and front adjustable castor rods. The rest I got off the group by.

[Mr. Keets]

I used the front bushes at first but I ended up going for some Midori style arms...plenty adjustment . The GB thread has the info GB Info

As for the GB. I look at as a first step and really it is pretty much a freshen up deal for the R. I've since change and added other components...rear radius and control arms, tension rods etc. I thought the KTA117 adjustable rear upper radius arms made a big difference when I put the power down. That and the Nismo Pro TT Diff

[rtune]

I used the front bushes at first but I ended up going for some Midori style arms...plenty adjustment .

Where did you get the midori "style" stuff then?

I was looking at ARC (not the titanium ARC) in japan and they have some nice fully adjustable sway kits (in choice of colors!) but the price now is like 70,000 yen per end.

[nisskid]

whiteline make adjustable arms as well, although they are a bit of a bitch at the rear with the camber arms fouling on the big bilsteins.

[joeyjoejoejuniorshabadoo]

suspension is an easy 5 step process... just follow my flow diagram:

1. take car to centreline

2. give keys to chris

3. say "fixy fixy" and point at car

4. open wallet...

5. drive away happy

[bnr#@]

suspension is an easy 5 step process... just follow my flow diagram:

1. take car to centreline

2. give keys to chris

3. say "fixy fixy" and point at car

4. open wallet...

5. drive away happy

Haha, go cheque book racing....

[joeyjoejoejuniorshabadoo]

yup... its the only answer for my 70 hours a week of cheffing

[vidospace]

Everyone has to be good at something, no one can be an expert at everything. Your right, leave it to the experts. Any good suspension place can take your ideas about how you want the car to handle, and make it happen.

My advice is to do the lot in one go. Why stuff around adding bits and pieces and then paying over and over for allignments. Get it installed, get the right settings put in place and go racing!

[nisskid]

suspension is an easy 5 step process... just follow my flow diagram:

1. take car to centreline

2. give keys to chris

3. say "fixy fixy" and point at car

4. open wallet...

5. drive away happy

6. complain about how much u spend on ur skyline